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We too have seen additional work for security related upgrades.  A new post-9/11 threat level resulted in a $40M project consisting mostly of security buildings and security fencing at a submarine base.
Did your parking structures include requirements to prevent progressive collapse?
David Dickey
Lexington, KY
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Feather [mailto:pfeather(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:17 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: structural list??

Actually we have seen additional projects as a direct result of the security changes.  Parking structures are a large portion of our project base, and we have Military contracts for parking structures that are a direct result of the new guidelines regarding how close vehicles may approach certain structures.  The resulting loss of parking area required an alternate high density solution.
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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: structural list??

While you were out, a few of us "went it alone" and unilaterally performed a regime change... this is now a water cooler politics list. We're surprised you didn't greet us with open arms as liberators!  ;-)
Here's a structural engineering related question for anyone to chime in on, hopefully with as little political spin as possible.
How many of you on this list have seen direct effects/impact on your engineering business or practice from homeland security measures that have been undertaken since 9/11? I am thinking these would be things like structural changes to building layout, possibly material specifications, entirely new facilities and the like. Have you seen additional construction activity to support any security enhancements, or have you seen projects negatively impacted because of funds being reallocated?
I hope that gets us back on topic.
Thomas Honles, SE, PE
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Kester [mailto:akester(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:50 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: structural list??

I'm sorry, I have seemed to have subscribed to some type of water cooler political discussion list. I thought I had subscribed to a structural list, my mistake.
As interesting as these discussions may be ( and you have every right to have them), I personally would rather read structural engineers' opinions on matters of structural engineering, not politics and history. I have an opinion on EVERYTHING, but my mom warned me long ago (not that I listened) that "opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one."
Andrew Kester, PE
Longwood, FL