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- Subject: Re: Post tensioning Detailing-Where and how?
- From: Mark Gilligan <MarkKGilligan(--nospam--at)compuserve.com>
- Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:02:14 -0500
I think we can do with fewer racist bigoted hateful postings. If we are really concerned about safety I am sure that we have much more of a problem with native born incompetent engineers than with outsourcing. Mark Gilligan _______________________________________________ No, if the request came from "Tom Jones", the third paragraph would not have been struck out, it would have read: "Why would anyone want to hire you, when they can have the same work done by someone in India for 1/5th of the price. That person certainly couldn't do any worse than you. " Because I support outsourcing. But I support outsourcing only when the company doing the outsourcing can afford, and considers it necessary, to invest sufficient time and money to ensure the individuals doing the work produce a product of the required quality. I do not think this necessarily "takes jobs away from Americans", With respect to structural engineering, I think it can create jobs for Americans who are well versed in both the applicable engineering principles and the pertinent code requirements. And I think such Americans should be well compensated for their knowledge. But back to the original post - the request did not come from "Tom Jones", it came from "Nagesh Kumar" - the vice-president of engineering for this company - "SECAD." And I do not support this kind of outsourcing - outsourcing to Indian immigrants. I do not believe it results in a product of the required quality, because the cost of the work does not allow the company doing the outsourcing to spend enough on quality control. And if a company is outsourcing detailing work to someone with poor English, who has no problem doing detailing for post-tensioning, despite the fact he has absolutely no understanding of what he is doing, I would hope that the company spends quite a bit on quality control. In my opinion, this applies to the placing drawings for a conventionally-reinforced concrete building, as well as the installation drawings for a post-tensioned building. Because my safety depends on those drawings. And this is the same reason I do not like having immigrants with poor English working as engineers in this country. Because my safety depends on their ability to understand and communicate with others in English. And in addition to being concerned about my own safety, I nominally have some kind of responsibility to the general public. And by poor English, I don't mean mixing up "principal" and "principle" and "capitol" and "capital." I mean not knowing the difference between the past, present, and perfect tenses, so not being able to tell whether something has already happened, is currently happening, or is going to happen. And not being able to communicate this to someone else. And I mean not knowing the difference between "this must be done" and "this may be done" and "this will happen" and "this may happen." The words "must" and "may" have legal implications, and in that respect they can be subject to interpretation. However, they also have technical implications. There are certain things that must be done to ensure that a building is safe. On a side note, however, I seem to be out-of-synch with respect to opinions on outsourcing, at least with respect to the participants on this list. Because according to this list, the central issue in outsourcing appears to be ketchup. And all I really know about ketchup is that Ronald Reagan considered it a nutritious vegetable. I will also note that I have gotten some e-mails disagreeing with my opinions on outsourcing. I can't really tell who is writing them, because they are all from yahoo accounts, without names. But I can say with pretty fair certainty that they are not from "native-born Americans." The vocabulary is that of someone who has learned British English. Gail Kelley ******* ****** ******* ******** ******* ******* ******* *** * Read list FAQ at: http://www.seaint.org/list_FAQ.asp * * This email was sent to you via Structural Engineers * Association of Southern California (SEAOSC) server. To * subscribe (no fee) or UnSubscribe, please go to: * * http://www.seaint.org/sealist1.asp * * Questions to seaint-ad(--nospam--at)seaint.org. Remember, any email you * send to the list is public domain and may be re-posted * without your permission. Make sure you visit our web * site at: http://www.seaint.org ******* ****** ****** ****** ******* ****** ****** ********
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