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Don't forget Sergey Timoshenko and Egor Popov.  The former (as I was told by an eyewitness) was not a very good professor at Stanford, partly because of his "not perfect" English.  His textbooks are the best, though - IMO.   
And even the Native Americans were apparently proven to be "immigrants" who moved from Siberia over the Bering Straits natural bridge not such a long time ago (as recently as 12,000 years)... 
Steve Gordin
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Post tensioning Detailing-Where and how?

I hardly ever get into these non-structural list "discussions", but any
criticism of immigrants should be tempered by the fact that Native Americans
are the only REAL non-immigrants.  Immigration and the associated bigotry in
the US is therefore merely a function of arrival time.  I am quite grateful
for the tolerance of my Native American friends.

By the way, the Germans, Swiss, and French started developing PT.  It really
took off after WW II.  Great engineers like TY Lin helped further develop PT
in this country.

Harold Sprague

>From: "Mark Francois" <marfra(--nospam--at)>
>Reply-To: <seaint(--nospam--at)>
>To: <seaint(--nospam--at)>
>Subject: Re: Post tensioning Detailing-Where and how?
>Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:16:09 -0600
>There have been techically significant contributions to this list made by
>Gail Kelley, however bigotry and racism also come through in these
>She of all people should be aware of the significant contribution to
>Structural Engineering made by Immigrants/People with strange names/ People
>with foreign accents. This category could include Engineers such as Birjan
>Aalami , S.K.Ghosh, Farzad Naeim, Kit Miyamoto and Ashraf Hasibullah. These
>engineers are educating those with "born in America names". If Gail's
>immigration policy were in place they may not be in America and maybe one
>of her very good publications(  with Dr.Aalami) would not have been
>Mark Francois
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arvind Bisarya"
>To: <seaint(--nospam--at)>
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:44 AM
>Subject: Re: Post tensioning Detailing-Where and how?
>>Agree 100 % thanks Chris. I just wish people ( Particularly Gail )
>>here in USA just learn to live with the whole world and do not think
>>that engineers in other countries are any inferior or worst!  There
>>are bad apples every where in the world!
>>On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:13:41 -0600, Christopher Wright
>><chrisw(--nospam--at)> wrote:
>>>On Nov 1, 2004, at 9:44 AM, Arvind Bisarya wrote:
>>> > It was definitely not an immigrant nor was the job outsourced !
>>>I think if you'll look at deaths resulting from earthquake and
>>>storm-related structural failures, you'll find that the Hyatt collapse
>>>is one of the worst in the US, only recently. Disasters like the
>>>Johnstown flood or the 1906 San Francisco earthquake had far worse
>>>tolls, although there's no way now to sort out deaths from structural
>>>failures from those caused by ensuing fires.
>>>If you looked a little further at the tens of thousands of people who
>>>died in Asia in earthquake- or storm-related or other structural
>>>collapses because of substandard design, you wouldn't find much
>>>offshore-outsourced engineering either.
>>>Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant at
>>>chrisw(--nospam--at)    | this distance" (last words of Gen.
>>>...................................| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania 1864)

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