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- From: Rhkratzse(--nospam--at)aol.com
- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:39:51 EST
I'm no seismologist, but I recall seeing photos of precast concrete freeway overpass girders whose bearing areas were destroyed, reportedly by vertical motion, in the 1974? 'quake north of L.A. (Sylmar?). Not to mention the girder(s) that collapsed on the pickup truck, killing its occupants, but that may have been due to horizontal movement causing loss of bearing.
Ralph Hueston Kratz
724 McLaughlin Street
Richmond CA 94805-1402 USA
In a message dated 11/8/04 10:34:18 AM, mailbox(--nospam--at)sgeconsulting.com writes:
The big question is - are there any known instances of damage due to vertical accelerations? If so, then to what type of structures?
So far, even after the code-changing frenzy of 1994, the corresponding requirements of the code had not been changed. Actually, the seismic loads on the residential and other structures generally remained the same as they were in 1956.
According to my experience in observations and research after the Northridge earthquake, even in the areas of the highest recorded vertical PGA (Tarzana), damage was the same as elsewhere in the proximity of the epicenter.
May be, the ambiguity of the code reflects just that - we do not know about any historic damage, but can theoretically assume that damage may develop under some conditions.
"If ain't broken, don't fix it." At least for the most common structures, where the code changes may have a heavy and not quite justified yet effect.
Steve Gordin, SE
----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Sprague
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: FW: Vertical component of EQ in UBC97 and IBC2000
The vertical component issue is in a state of flux. But the seismic code
developers are making progress. Previously, we only looked at what I will
call inadvertent vertical effects. These were vertical elemental forces
that were caused by the structural response due to lateral ground motions.
They occurred in roughly the same time domain as the lateral ground motion.
The ground motions were historically fairly easy to quantify.
The next considerations were direct vertical ground motion effects. This is
where the ground moves in a vertical direction. The most notable US example
was the 1994 Northridge event and Kobe. Previously, the concern and
concentration was the lateral faults that generated the big lateral ground
motions. After Northridge, we started paying more attention to the thrust
faults. The other type of faulting that can generate large vertical ground
motions are the subduction zone faults.
The big difference is the arrival time of the vertical ground motions. The
vertical ground motions arrive with the P waves and before the large lateral
ground motions (mostly S and Love waves).
Another complicating issue was the mapping. There are currently no maps
that show the vertical ground motions. You are required to develop a site
specific response spectra for the lateral and the vertical ground motions in
order to start the procedure. This is not too much of a problem for nuclear
plants. But good news is on the way. There is an effort to develop maps
and / or algorithms to quantify vertical ground motions without having to
develop site-specific spectra. There are elements in the DOD and USGS that
are working on this and will have it fairly soon. NEHRP, ASCE 7, and IBC
will follow soon. There are many of the "usual suspects" involved in all of
Generally if you do NOT have a thrust fault or subduction zone fault within
10 km of your site, you can ROUGHLY assume about 2/3 of the lateral ground
motion will be a vertical ground motion. If you are within that magic 10
km, you may have vertical ground motions that may be larger than the lateral
If you perceive that your structure is sensitive to vertical ground motion
(i.e. cantilevered structures or elements, liquid containing tanks or
vessels, etc.) and you are within the magic 10 km, you may want to get a
vertical response spectra.
Once you have the input, you then need to decide what to do with it. There
are no R values for vertical structural responses. You may need to consider
amplifying vertical forces or performing a vertical dynamic analysis. I
have done both on various projects.
The IBC simply disclosed the level of our ignorance that was contained in
Stay tuned, when this is developed further, I will notify the list. Expect
it in early 2005.
>From: "Ali Karimzadegan" <karimzadegan(--nospam--at)pidec.com>
>Subject: FW: Vertical component of EQ in UBC97 and IBC2000
>Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:03:05 +0330
> > The vertical component of earthquake load as per UBC97 (1630.1.1)
> > could be ignored for WSD method. What about the vertical load component
> > per IBC? I didn't see any item that permit to ignore this component in
> > IBC. Does anybody know that could we neglect it or if it should be
> > considered in all cases what is the reason that makes this difference in
> > IBC w.r.t. UBC97?
> > Regards,
> > Ali Karimzadegan
> > M.S. C.E.
> > PIDEC
> > Shiraz - Iran
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