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I agree with Scott, and Washington, on this point.  I find myself sitting
through seminars on things that look good on the surface, but due to either
horrible presentation, or lack of information, I am left with a
not-so-surprising feeling of wasting time.  Rarely do I gain any knowledge
from the seminars that I go to.  Conventions are nice, but I find them
bloated with topics that are way off base and frankly don't interest me,
especially as a Civil/Structural.  Top that with living in a state that
requires a lot of CE credits, and it becomes not only a waist of money, but
also time.  I can't tell you how many seminars I have walked away from
saying, "Now there's X hours of my life that I will never get back."

I agree with further education, but finding topics relating to my work, and
that are interesting, really becomes difficult at times.  And those that are
offered, require a healthy road trip for me to venture on.  Again, more
wasted time.

Dave Maynard, PE
Gillette, WY

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:12 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Colorado PE... Continuing Education
>
>
> The list posted by Matthew is consistant with the few states that I am
> licensed in.  Michgian does not require it...yet...there are starting to
> think about it.  State of Washington PE does not require it, and
> according to the lastest PE Board newsletter, they don't plan on
> requiring it anytime soon...the Board apparently has the position based
> upon majority belief that "...such programs add administrative costs and
> do little to improve the quality of practice by licensees."  Only my
> Illinois SE license at this point requires CE.
>
> Personally, I would say that I agree with the position that the Washington
> PE Board appears to take.  I don't believe that CE requirements really do
> all that much other than add cost to maintaining a license.  Don't get me
> wrong...I strongly believe in continuing to learn.  I just think that the
> programs put in place don't really do much.  The way most programs are
> setup it is rather easy to meet the requirements without really learning
> anything valuable...it is just a matter of spending some money.  And most
> programs don't have a way to account for some good ways of continuing to
> learn such as just reading a textbook or technical paper (which makes
> sense because it becomes rather difficult for someone to "prove" that they
> really did do such things such as read that textbook or paper if they are
> auditted).  In the end, CE is good idea, but is typically poorly executed.
> But, while I may not believe in such systems, I have little problem with
> them as I would be taking seminars and doing other things that meet CE
> requirements with or without the requirements.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
> Adrian, MI
>
>
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Stuart, Matthew wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > D. Matthew Stuart, P.E., S.E.
> > Structural Department
> > SCHOOR DEPALMA
> > 200 State Highway Nine
> > Manalapan, NJ 07726-0900
> > Phone: (732) 577-9000 (Ext. 1283)
> > FAX: (732) 431-9428
> > Cell: (908) 309-8657
> > Email: mstuart(--nospam--at)schoordepalma.com
> > Website: www.schoordepalma.com
> >
> >
> > PDH Requirements for PE & LS in Various US Jurisdictions
> > State [NL](Note 1)	Renewal Cycle	PDH's Required	Renewal
> Deadline (Special Requirements)
> > Alabama	Annual	15 	December 31
> > Arkansas	Annual	15	December 31
> > Delaware	Biennial	24 for LS only	June 30, Odd Year
> > Florida	Biennial	8   for PE[PARA]24 for LS
> February 28, Odd Year (For PE: 4 PDH's must be on Florida Board
> Law and Rules; For LS: 6 PDH's must be on Minimum Technical
> Standards (MTS) or laws affecting the practice of surveying and mapping)
> > Georgia	Biennial	30	December 31, Even Year
> > Idaho	Biennial	30 for LS only	Varies
> > Illinois	Biennial	30 for PE[PARA]20 for LS
> November 30, Even Year (Starting 2004)
> > Iowa	Biennial 	30	December 31, Odd or Even Year
> > Kansas	Biennial	30	Based on the first letter
> of last name: A-L by April 30, Even Year; M-Z by April 30, Odd Year
> > Kentucky	Biennial	16 for LS only	June 30, Odd Year
> > Louisiana	Biennial	30 	Varies (1 PDH must be in
> ethics and, 8 PDH's must be in life safety or building code for
> PE's in building design & construction)
> > Maryland	Biennial	24 for LS only	Varies
> > Minnesota	Biennial	24 	June 30, Even Year
> > Mississippi	Annual	15 	December 31
> > Missouri	Biennial	30 for PE[PARA]30 for LS	PE:
> December 31, Even or Odd Year (Starting 2004)[PARA]LS: December
> 31, Even or Odd Year
> > Montana	Biennial	30 	June 30, Even Year
> > Nebraska	Biennial	30 	Based on the first letter
> of last name: A-K by December 31, Odd Year; L-Z December 31, Even
> Year (Starting 2004)
> > Nevada	Biennial	30 	Based on the first letter
> of last name: A-E by December 31, Even Year; F-K June 30, Odd
> Year; L-R December 31, Odd Year and S-Z June 30, Even Year.
> > New Hampshire	Biennial	30 	Varies
> > New Jersey	Biennial	8 for LS only	April 30, Even Year
> > New Mexico	Biennial	30 	December 31, Odd Year for
> odd number licenses and December 31, Even Year for even number licenses.
> > New York	Triennial	36 for PE[PARA]24 for LS
> Varies (Starting 2005)
> > North Carolina	Annual	15 	December 31
> > Oklahoma	Biennial	30 	Varies (Starting July 1, 2004)
> > Oregon	Biennial	30 	Based on the first letter
> of last name: A-F December 31, Odd Year; G-K June 30, Odd Year;
> L-R December 31, Even Year; S-Z June 30, Even Year.
> > South Carolina	Biennial	30 	June 30, Even Year
> > South Dakota	Biennial	30 	Varies (At least 20
> PDH's must be in technical subjects which directly safeguard the
> public's health, safety and welfare)
> > Tennessee	Biennial	24	Varies
> > Texas	Annual	8 for LS only	December 31
> > West Virginia	Annual	15 	June 30
> > Wyoming	Biennial	30	December 31, Even or Odd Year
> > Note 1: This summary table is for information only. States not
> listed may have introduced continuing education requirements for
> professional engineers and land surveyors since the data in this
> table were compiled. Please check with your state board of
> registration for the latest information.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Maynard [mailto:davemaynard(--nospam--at)ceincorp.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:56 PM
> > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > Subject: Colorado PE... Continuing Education
> >
> > Attn: Colorado PE's
> >
> > OK, I am looking at getting additional licensure in the state
> of Colorado,
> > for we have just acquired a client in that state.  I was
> reading through the
> > Board's literature and I read this:
> > "Continuing Education - Colorado has no requirements for continuing
> > education in order to maintain or renew a license to practice.
> >
> > This is interesting and I just wanted to make sure that this is actually
> > correct.  NO further continuing education is necessary for your Colorado
> > license???  You don't have to go to seminars and report your
> activities to
> > the board to keep your license???  I just want to verify this.
> I find it
> > really interesting because Wyoming requires 30 contact hours
> every 2 years
> > of Continuing Education to keep your licensure.  I thought
> Colorado would be
> > similar, or at least in the same neighborhood.  Thanks for the info.
> >
> > Dave Maynard, PE
> > Gillette, WY
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