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This has always been a point with me.  I agree with David and Scott on this
one.  I am originally from Wyoming and worked there for a number of years.
There is an added cost to attending "decent" seminars when living in more
remote areas, since travel to larger cities is required for the better
seminars.  It can become a burden to smaller firms, so you find yourself in
seminars that are basically a waste of time just to maintain the required
continuing education requirements and at the same time not breaking the
firm's finances.
J. Grill


Joseph R. Grill, P.E. (Structural)
Shephard - Wesnitzer, Inc.
Civil Engineering and Surveying
1146 W. Hwy 89A Suite B
Sedona, AZ  86340
PHONE (928) 282-1061
FAX (928) 282-2058
jgrill(--nospam--at)swiaz.com
 


-----Original Message-----
From: David Maynard [mailto:davemaynard(--nospam--at)ceincorp.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:52 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: RE: Colorado PE... Continuing Education

I agree with Scott, and Washington, on this point.  I find myself sitting
through seminars on things that look good on the surface, but due to either
horrible presentation, or lack of information, I am left with a
not-so-surprising feeling of wasting time.  Rarely do I gain any knowledge
from the seminars that I go to.  Conventions are nice, but I find them
bloated with topics that are way off base and frankly don't interest me,
especially as a Civil/Structural.  Top that with living in a state that
requires a lot of CE credits, and it becomes not only a waist of money, but
also time.  I can't tell you how many seminars I have walked away from
saying, "Now there's X hours of my life that I will never get back."

I agree with further education, but finding topics relating to my work, and
that are interesting, really becomes difficult at times.  And those that are
offered, require a healthy road trip for me to venture on.  Again, more
wasted time.

Dave Maynard, PE
Gillette, WY

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:12 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Colorado PE... Continuing Education
>
>
> The list posted by Matthew is consistant with the few states that I am
> licensed in.  Michgian does not require it...yet...there are starting to
> think about it.  State of Washington PE does not require it, and
> according to the lastest PE Board newsletter, they don't plan on
> requiring it anytime soon...the Board apparently has the position based
> upon majority belief that "...such programs add administrative costs and
> do little to improve the quality of practice by licensees."  Only my
> Illinois SE license at this point requires CE.
>
> Personally, I would say that I agree with the position that the Washington
> PE Board appears to take.  I don't believe that CE requirements really do
> all that much other than add cost to maintaining a license.  Don't get me
> wrong...I strongly believe in continuing to learn.  I just think that the
> programs put in place don't really do much.  The way most programs are
> setup it is rather easy to meet the requirements without really learning
> anything valuable...it is just a matter of spending some money.  And most
> programs don't have a way to account for some good ways of continuing to
> learn such as just reading a textbook or technical paper (which makes
> sense because it becomes rather difficult for someone to "prove" that they
> really did do such things such as read that textbook or paper if they are
> auditted).  In the end, CE is good idea, but is typically poorly executed.
> But, while I may not believe in such systems, I have little problem with
> them as I would be taking seminars and doing other things that meet CE
> requirements with or without the requirements.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
> Adrian, MI
>
>
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Stuart, Matthew wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > D. Matthew Stuart, P.E., S.E.
> > Structural Department
> > SCHOOR DEPALMA
> > 200 State Highway Nine
> > Manalapan, NJ 07726-0900
> > Phone: (732) 577-9000 (Ext. 1283)
> > FAX: (732) 431-9428
> > Cell: (908) 309-8657
> > Email: mstuart(--nospam--at)schoordepalma.com
> > Website: www.schoordepalma.com
> >
> >
> > PDH Requirements for PE & LS in Various US Jurisdictions
> > State [NL](Note 1)	Renewal Cycle	PDH's Required	Renewal
> Deadline (Special Requirements)
> > Alabama	Annual	15 	December 31
> > Arkansas	Annual	15	December 31
> > Delaware	Biennial	24 for LS only	June 30, Odd Year
> > Florida	Biennial	8   for PE[PARA]24 for LS
> February 28, Odd Year (For PE: 4 PDH's must be on Florida Board
> Law and Rules; For LS: 6 PDH's must be on Minimum Technical
> Standards (MTS) or laws affecting the practice of surveying and mapping)
> > Georgia	Biennial	30	December 31, Even Year
> > Idaho	Biennial	30 for LS only	Varies
> > Illinois	Biennial	30 for PE[PARA]20 for LS
> November 30, Even Year (Starting 2004)
> > Iowa	Biennial 	30	December 31, Odd or Even Year
> > Kansas	Biennial	30	Based on the first letter
> of last name: A-L by April 30, Even Year; M-Z by April 30, Odd Year
> > Kentucky	Biennial	16 for LS only	June 30, Odd Year
> > Louisiana	Biennial	30 	Varies (1 PDH must be in
> ethics and, 8 PDH's must be in life safety or building code for
> PE's in building design & construction)
> > Maryland	Biennial	24 for LS only	Varies
> > Minnesota	Biennial	24 	June 30, Even Year
> > Mississippi	Annual	15 	December 31
> > Missouri	Biennial	30 for PE[PARA]30 for LS	PE:
> December 31, Even or Odd Year (Starting 2004)[PARA]LS: December
> 31, Even or Odd Year
> > Montana	Biennial	30 	June 30, Even Year
> > Nebraska	Biennial	30 	Based on the first letter
> of last name: A-K by December 31, Odd Year; L-Z December 31, Even
> Year (Starting 2004)
> > Nevada	Biennial	30 	Based on the first letter
> of last name: A-E by December 31, Even Year; F-K June 30, Odd
> Year; L-R December 31, Odd Year and S-Z June 30, Even Year.
> > New Hampshire	Biennial	30 	Varies
> > New Jersey	Biennial	8 for LS only	April 30, Even Year
> > New Mexico	Biennial	30 	December 31, Odd Year for
> odd number licenses and December 31, Even Year for even number licenses.
> > New York	Triennial	36 for PE[PARA]24 for LS
> Varies (Starting 2005)
> > North Carolina	Annual	15 	December 31
> > Oklahoma	Biennial	30 	Varies (Starting July 1, 2004)
> > Oregon	Biennial	30 	Based on the first letter
> of last name: A-F December 31, Odd Year; G-K June 30, Odd Year;
> L-R December 31, Even Year; S-Z June 30, Even Year.
> > South Carolina	Biennial	30 	June 30, Even Year
> > South Dakota	Biennial	30 	Varies (At least 20
> PDH's must be in technical subjects which directly safeguard the
> public's health, safety and welfare)
> > Tennessee	Biennial	24	Varies
> > Texas	Annual	8 for LS only	December 31
> > West Virginia	Annual	15 	June 30
> > Wyoming	Biennial	30	December 31, Even or Odd Year
> > Note 1: This summary table is for information only. States not
> listed may have introduced continuing education requirements for
> professional engineers and land surveyors since the data in this
> table were compiled. Please check with your state board of
> registration for the latest information.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Maynard [mailto:davemaynard(--nospam--at)ceincorp.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:56 PM
> > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > Subject: Colorado PE... Continuing Education
> >
> > Attn: Colorado PE's
> >
> > OK, I am looking at getting additional licensure in the state
> of Colorado,
> > for we have just acquired a client in that state.  I was
> reading through the
> > Board's literature and I read this:
> > "Continuing Education - Colorado has no requirements for continuing
> > education in order to maintain or renew a license to practice.
> >
> > This is interesting and I just wanted to make sure that this is actually
> > correct.  NO further continuing education is necessary for your Colorado
> > license???  You don't have to go to seminars and report your
> activities to
> > the board to keep your license???  I just want to verify this.
> I find it
> > really interesting because Wyoming requires 30 contact hours
> every 2 years
> > of Continuing Education to keep your licensure.  I thought
> Colorado would be
> > similar, or at least in the same neighborhood.  Thanks for the info.
> >
> > Dave Maynard, PE
> > Gillette, WY
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