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Stuart, 
You are right.
Gary

On 3 Dec 2004 at 8:15, Stuart, Matthew wrote:

> If you look at the what qualifies for CEU in Canada I think you will
> find that they allow a considerable amount of hours for "professional:
> practice" towards the 240 hours.
> 
> D. Matthew Stuart, P.E., S.E.
> Structural Department
> SCHOOR DEPALMA
> 200 State Highway Nine
> Manalapan, NJ 07726-0900
> Phone: (732) 577-9000 (Ext. 1283)
> FAX: (732) 431-9428
> Cell: (908) 309-8657
> Email: mstuart(--nospam--at)schoordepalma.com
> Website: www.schoordepalma.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Hodgson & Associates [mailto:ghodgson(--nospam--at)vaxxine.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:54 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: ... Continuing Education
> 
> I agree,  Ontario does not have such a requirement, but
> Alberta where I am also registered has quite a heavy
> load.  Something like 240 hours over 3 years.  So I
> signed up for a masonry design course (3 days over 2
> weekends).  I thought I would get some practical know-
> ledge and learn of the upcoming code changes.  However,
> the course was really aimed at analysis and design for
> young engineers who had never taken masonry design in
> school.  I am an OF who never took it in school either,
> but took courses and read and talked to others to learn.
> >From my point of view it didn't add anything, but reminded
> why we use computer programs.
> Gary
> 
> On 2 Dec 2004 at 13:51, David Maynard wrote:
> 
> > I agree with Scott, and Washington, on this point.  I find myself
> > sitting through seminars on things that look good on the surface,
> > but due to either horrible presentation, or lack of information, I
> > am left with a not-so-surprising feeling of wasting time.  Rarely do
> > I gain any knowledge from the seminars that I go to.  Conventions
> > are nice, but I find them bloated with topics that are way off base
> > and frankly don't interest me, especially as a Civil/Structural. 
> > Top that with living in a state that requires a lot of CE credits,
> > and it becomes not only a waist of money, but also time.  I can't
> > tell you how many seminars I have walked away from saying, "Now
> > there's X hours of my life that I will never get back."
> >
> > I agree with further education, but finding topics relating to my
> > work, and that are interesting, really becomes difficult at times.
> > And those that are offered, require a healthy road trip for me to
> > venture on.  Again, more wasted time.
> >
> > Dave Maynard, PE
> > Gillette, WY
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu]
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:12 PM
> > > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > > Subject: RE: Colorado PE... Continuing Education
> > >
> > >
> > > The list posted by Matthew is consistant with the few states that
> > > I am licensed in.  Michgian does not require it...yet...there are
> > > starting to think about it.  State of Washington PE does not
> > > require it, and according to the lastest PE Board newsletter, they
> > > don't plan on requiring it anytime soon...the Board apparently has
> > > the position based upon majority belief that "...such programs add
> > > administrative costs and do little to improve the quality of
> > > practice by licensees."  Only my Illinois SE license at this point
> > > requires CE.
> > >
> > > Personally, I would say that I agree with the position that the
> > > Washington PE Board appears to take.  I don't believe that CE
> > > requirements really do all that much other than add cost to
> > > maintaining a license.  Don't get me wrong...I strongly believe in
> > > continuing to learn.  I just think that the programs put in place
> > > don't really do much.  The way most programs are setup it is
> > > rather easy to meet the requirements without really learning
> > > anything valuable...it is just a matter of spending some money. 
> > > And most programs don't have a way to account for some good ways
> > > of continuing to learn such as just reading a textbook or
> > > technical paper (which makes sense because it becomes rather
> > > difficult for someone to "prove" that they really did do such
> > > things such as read that textbook or paper if they are auditted). 
> > > In the end, CE is good idea, but is typically poorly executed.
> > > But, while I may not believe in such systems, I have little
> > > problem with them as I would be taking seminars and doing other
> > > things that meet CE requirements with or without the requirements.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Scott
> > > Adrian, MI
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Stuart, Matthew wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > D. Matthew Stuart, P.E., S.E.
> > > > Structural Department
> > > > SCHOOR DEPALMA
> > > > 200 State Highway Nine
> > > > Manalapan, NJ 07726-0900
> > > > Phone: (732) 577-9000 (Ext. 1283)
> > > > FAX: (732) 431-9428
> > > > Cell: (908) 309-8657
> > > > Email: mstuart(--nospam--at)schoordepalma.com
> > > > Website: www.schoordepalma.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > PDH Requirements for PE & LS in Various US Jurisdictions
> > > > State [NL](Note 1)        Renewal Cycle   PDH's Required 
> > > > Renewal
> > > Deadline (Special Requirements)
> > > > Alabama   Annual  15      December 31
> > > > Arkansas  Annual  15      December 31
> > > > Delaware  Biennial        24 for LS only  June 30, Odd Year
> > > > Florida   Biennial        8   for PE[PARA]24 for LS
> > > February 28, Odd Year (For PE: 4 PDH's must be on Florida Board
> > > Law and Rules; For LS: 6 PDH's must be on Minimum Technical
> > > Standards (MTS) or laws affecting the practice of surveying and
> > > mapping)
> > > > Georgia   Biennial        30      December 31, Even Year
> > > > Idaho     Biennial        30 for LS only  Varies
> > > > Illinois  Biennial        30 for PE[PARA]20 for LS
> > > November 30, Even Year (Starting 2004)
> > > > Iowa      Biennial        30      December 31, Odd or Even Year
> > > > Kansas    Biennial        30      Based on the first letter
> > > of last name: A-L by April 30, Even Year; M-Z by April 30, Odd
> > > Year
> > > > Kentucky  Biennial        16 for LS only  June 30, Odd Year
> > > > Louisiana Biennial        30      Varies (1 PDH must be in
> > > ethics and, 8 PDH's must be in life safety or building code for
> > > PE's in building design & construction)
> > > > Maryland  Biennial        24 for LS only  Varies
> > > > Minnesota Biennial        24      June 30, Even Year
> > > > Mississippi       Annual  15      December 31
> > > > Missouri  Biennial        30 for PE[PARA]30 for LS        PE:
> > > December 31, Even or Odd Year (Starting 2004)[PARA]LS: December
> > > 31, Even or Odd Year
> > > > Montana   Biennial        30      June 30, Even Year
> > > > Nebraska  Biennial        30      Based on the first letter
> > > of last name: A-K by December 31, Odd Year; L-Z December 31, Even
> > > Year (Starting 2004)
> > > > Nevada    Biennial        30      Based on the first letter
> > > of last name: A-E by December 31, Even Year; F-K June 30, Odd
> > > Year; L-R December 31, Odd Year and S-Z June 30, Even Year.
> > > > New Hampshire     Biennial        30      Varies
> > > > New Jersey        Biennial        8 for LS only   April 30, Even
> > > > Year New Mexico        Biennial        30      December 31, Odd
> > > > Year for
> > > odd number licenses and December 31, Even Year for even number
> > > licenses.
> > > > New York  Triennial       36 for PE[PARA]24 for LS
> > > Varies (Starting 2005)
> > > > North Carolina    Annual  15      December 31
> > > > Oklahoma  Biennial        30      Varies (Starting July 1, 2004)
> > > > Oregon    Biennial        30      Based on the first letter
> > > of last name: A-F December 31, Odd Year; G-K June 30, Odd Year;
> > > L-R December 31, Even Year; S-Z June 30, Even Year.
> > > > South Carolina    Biennial        30      June 30, Even Year
> > > > South Dakota      Biennial        30      Varies (At least 20
> > > PDH's must be in technical subjects which directly safeguard the
> > > public's health, safety and welfare)
> > > > Tennessee Biennial        24      Varies
> > > > Texas     Annual  8 for LS only   December 31
> > > > West Virginia     Annual  15      June 30
> > > > Wyoming   Biennial        30      December 31, Even or Odd Year
> > > > Note 1: This summary table is for information only. States not
> > > listed may have introduced continuing education requirements for
> > > professional engineers and land surveyors since the data in this
> > > table were compiled. Please check with your state board of
> > > registration for the latest information.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: David Maynard [mailto:davemaynard(--nospam--at)ceincorp.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:56 PM
> > > > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > > > Subject: Colorado PE... Continuing Education
> > > >
> > > > Attn: Colorado PE's
> > > >
> > > > OK, I am looking at getting additional licensure in the state
> > > of Colorado,
> > > > for we have just acquired a client in that state.  I was
> > > reading through the
> > > > Board's literature and I read this:
> > > > "Continuing Education - Colorado has no requirements for
> > > > continuing education in order to maintain or renew a license to
> > > > practice.
> > > >
> > > > This is interesting and I just wanted to make sure that this is
> > > > actually correct.  NO further continuing education is necessary
> > > > for your Colorado license???  You don't have to go to seminars
> > > > and report your
> > > activities to
> > > > the board to keep your license???  I just want to verify this.
> > > I find it
> > > > really interesting because Wyoming requires 30 contact hours
> > > every 2 years
> > > > of Continuing Education to keep your licensure.  I thought
> > > Colorado would be
> > > > similar, or at least in the same neighborhood.  Thanks for the
> > > > info.
> > > >
> > > > Dave Maynard, PE
> > > > Gillette, WY
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