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- Subject: Re: The failings of (engineering) organizations
- From: Rbengrguy(--nospam--at)aol.com
- Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:40:18 EST
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Attention fellow engineers, engineering society executives and officers:
Many of you may know I am active in several engineering societies. I presently serve at PR chair for www.seaoi.org. I assist several other groups in the PR activities.
In those capacities I received a great (too many?) communications from engineers, technology workers around the country, ( even the world!)
Recently the traffic of messages has increased significantly, what with the discussion/ recent passage of the H-1b, L-1 visa rider to the Omnibus bill. I'm also receiving messages in conjunction with the upcoming eWEEK celebration ( www.eweek.org, www.chicagolandeweek.org)
Just today I received the following posting. Quite frankly it caught me off guard as it raised some extremely interesting issues.
I have received permission to "BOBCAST" it to you from the writer-author Rob Sanchez.
Mr. Sanchez is the webmaster to one of the premier H-1B, Outsourcing websites
Mr. Sanchez also publishes a periodic newsletter - The H-1B/Job Destruction Newsletter.
Please check the following: http://www.engology.com/E-Newsletters.htm
What follows is Mr Sanchez view on "The failing of (engineering) organizations."
Silence will NOT protect engineers (and their engineering societies)
Apathy is lethal
IEEE, AEA, NSPE, PG, NCSEA, ASCE etc. is that they don’t understand that there is class warfare in the U.S. Even worse, they seem to think that engineers are somehow part of the management or executive classes, or what we refer to as the ruling elite. Engineers often trick themselves into believing that they can avoid traditional labor conflicts with their employers because they have an illusion that they are members of the executive class.
One of the major failings of organizations like
The tech community needs to understand where they are in the class system before they can understand how to solve their employment problems. Engineers and techies probably are a class above the Joe Six-Packs that earn their living by manual labor but and that's due mainly to their white-collar status and higher salaries - it's not because they have decision making authority or because they have control of their fate in the labor market.
I see no hope that these organizations will ever help technical workers until they understand that they aren't part of the management or executive classes. In the eyes of executives engineers are nothing but highly paid grunts, and that will never change. Unfortunately most techies have deluded themselves into thinking they are part of the executive class, so perhaps the orgs are just reflecting the delusions of their members.
I don't think technical organizations can get rid of their outdated paradigm. They are stuck in a mind-set that will prevent them from ever helping techies as wage earners. The failure to recognize class conflicts in the U.S., and a the inability to understand what class they represent, will doom these organizations from ever helping techies resolve labor issues such as H-1B, L-1, offshoring, wage depression, unemployment etc.
To make matters worse, most of the officers that run technical organizations and associations are members of the management and executive classes. This creates a cultural divide between those who run the organizations and the members who are typically wage earning engineers. Engineers and techies might not understand what causes this cultural divide but it does make the organizations seem irrelevant to them. That’s one of the reasons it’s so hard to recruit members.
If a techie organization was created that understood their place in our class system, and convince their members of the same, they could become a leader instead of just another techie club. Of course they would probably not be able to get members because techies aren't ready to face reality yet. It’s quite a dilemma that I don’t know how to resolve until techies reach some kind of consensus that we are of the worker class.
What we really need is an attitude change, but I don't think that will happen anytime soon.
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