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Agreed, there are some situations where you retain responsibility.  One
situation established by the courts and some states is that of connection
design.   If you design a steel frame you retain responsibility for the
design of the connections even if the Contractor designs the connections. 
The important point is that once you accept responsibility for a system you
cannot artificially say that you are not responsibile for key elements of
that system.   But if your scope of work never included specific systems
then how can it be said that you delegated the work.  The question is then
how can you define the system.  I have trouble believing that any state
requires the SEOR is responsible for every structural issue in the
building.  If this were the case we would all be in violation of the law.

At one extreme you could say that the prime design professional was
responsible for reviewing all elements of the building design and that the
design of the structural system was delegated to the structural engineer. 
Remember in most states the Architect can legaly produce the structural
design.   In this context the prime design professional, usually the
Architect, would be responsible for reviewing the structural design.  This
does not  happen so there must be some limits.  Are the rules different for
architects and engineers?  In the absence of specific requirements by the
state, the Owner and his consutltants is given broad flexibility on how
they decide to divide up the work.

Does the state of Florida specifically state that the SEOR is responsible
for the building skin?  Please provide references if this is so.

Would the SEOR be responsible for the structural design of the building
skin if the Architect retained another engineer to design and detail the
skin so that there was nothing for the Contractor to design?

In some instances the design of systems or components is assigned to the
Contractor since the SEOR may not have the necessary expertise.  Common
situations are anchoring of stone cladding systems, and design of GFRC
panels.  Is the SEOR still responsible for the design of these systems even
though they are outside of his area of expertise?  Would this create
problems with state licensing laws?  

Agreed there are limits on how you can define your scope, but the reality
is that you can greatly limit your responsibility by controling your scope.
  I think it is safe to say that there arefew absolutes on this subject.

Mark Gilligan

>Message text written by "Dave Finleyl"
Don't forget that in at least Florida, and probably in some of the other
states, the state laws and regulations place certain obligations on the EOR
for review of delegated work (i.e., roof trusses, building skin, etc.). 
can't get out of your responsiblity by claiming it wasn't in the contract.

David Finley

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