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The frontline in the battle between "conventional construction" and "engineered-design" is clear.  The problem is not that it's difficult to tell where that line is, the problem is that too many building officials are under a lot of pressure to keep residential plan reviews "short-n-sweet", so they miss a lot when they give the plans a quick pass-over to determine if anything needs to be engineered.  It's unfortunate, but that's what happens.  The ICC "Building Plans Examiner" certification exam has nothing (or very, very little) on conventional construction ... or anything structural for that matter ... and it really needs to be changed.  I currently hold such certification, which is quite comprehensive on fire/life-safety issues, but I do remember extremely little on the structural portions of the Code.
I presented a paper at the 2002 Structural Engineers of Southern California conference entitled, "Making Responsible Decisions Regarding Conventional Construction and Engineered Design for Wood-Framed Structures" that you might find helpful.  It's based on the 1997 UBC, but the principles would also apply to the IRC (for the most part, I believe).  Let me know if you would like a copy ... e-mail me PRIVATELY.  I would imagine that Dennis Wish (a subscriber to the list) would have some resources to recommend or pass along as well.
Dave K. Adams, S.E.
Lane Engineers, Inc.
Tulare, CA



 -----Original Message-----
From: Joe Grill [mailto:jgrill(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:21 PM
To: seaint
Subject: IRC and Plan Reviewers

I have a question to kind of continue our latest discussion.  Actually, it may be somewhat of a request.


It has seemed to me that where some of the problem comes from (in the battle between engineers and plan reviewers regarding IRC and IBC) is that there aren’t guidelines indicating when conventional framing provisions should stop and an engineered design should begin.  Are there any of you out there working within a jurisdiction where the jurisdiction has made that determination for their area?  If so, have they put it in a statute or some sort of directive, basically anything like a hard copy?  I would like to gather some information if it is out there to take to my local town and county plan reviewers as some sort of ammunition to begin a discussion on this topic.  I would rather go in NOT like the lone ranger among the engineering community on this matter.


J. Grill


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