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Gary Hodgson & Associates wrote:
If you want to see how you can operate without a state
board, look at Canada.  All the provinces have self-
governing professional boards or associations and
operate reasonably well--sure, there is room for improve-
ment, but that is true in any case.  I understand that
Great Britain does not have professional licensing. Is
that true, how does it work and what do other countries

On 4 Mar 2005 at 13:30, dnae(--nospam--at) wrote:
Personally, I've haven't been satisfied with how BORPELS has handled complaints within the community. I don't believe that this is the fault of individuals on the board, but more the lack of man power to address the problems. I have an designer in my area who is a graduate (I believe) and worked for an engineering firm located in our valley for many years until they closed their doors and left for the coast. This designer had connections through his family who provided Architectural services for some of the high end tract developers of gated communities and golf-course living.
He represents himself as an engineer - has even used his own name as a structural engineering consultant and listed his services in the structural engineers section of the phone book.
I and at least one other engineer complained to BORPELS who took copies of his work (that we felt were substandard when submitted for plan check that we were involved with) and even quoted sections of the Business and Professions Act that prevents him from practicing engineering services.

The solution to BORPELS was to allow him to change the name of the company to his initials and to allow him to continue to do the work under his business name using an engineer(s) from his previous employment who are outside the area to stamp his work. This was the most they would do.

The developer of the homes now has a number of lawsuits against him (he is a national developer whom I best not mention) and when I warned him a long time ago that his "engineer" was not licensed, he shrugged it off and told me that as long as the building department accepted the work he did not care.

There are other issues here, but if BORPELS can not stop this type of substandard professional practice then maybe the organization should be disbanded. It is my understanding that the majority of those on the board are not engineers and therefore the complaints are handled only when there is damage and injury to the public - this comes first.

To my behalf- I was listed under the Structural Engineers section of the phone book by mistake and was unable to get GTE at the time and now Verizon to relocate my name into another section. I informed BORPELS of this and they felt that it was a problem they addressed many times and could not control without the help of the phone book publisher who was not going to change the title to "Structural Engineering" so they decided to turn their attention away from this problem. Please don't use my comments as a reason to misrepresent your practice in the phone book. I do explain after asking where the potential client got my name, the difference and I do also assure them that unless it is a school, hospital or building over five stories - I am more than capable.

The bottom line is that I don't support Schwarzenegger, I feel he has accomplished next to nothing as money for schools and job opportunities keeps drying up in the state - especially in our county, but I don't see the purpose of a board of professional engineers who do not have the financial resources or staff to address the problems that they are getting on a daily basis.

On the other hand, I do see this not as a money saving issue, but as a potential higher cost to the state as they must address the problems through the Department of Consumer Affairs who licenses us. If they don't have the staff and simply ignore the complaints, then the state of quality of professional practice and construction will surely suffer in California.


Dennis S. Wish, PE
California Professional Engineer
Structural Engineering Consultant


760.564.0884 (office - fax)

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