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What???  I thought we did that for free!!!

Thanks.  You used the word soil.  It always soil till your done testing,
then it's dirt.

I've only found a handful of site with perfect soil.

Arvel



-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard Madden, SE [mailto:gmadden(--nospam--at)maddengine.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:17 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: RE: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!


Don't you guys charge for standing around watching augers go really deep
into perfectly good soil??? :)

-gm

-----Original Message-----
From: Arvel L. Williams, P.E. [mailto:awilliams(--nospam--at)gwsquared.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:02 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: RE: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!

I'm a lowly geotech.  I quit competitive bidding engineering work last year.
Since I won't and don't own drill rigs, it wasn't that bad.

Guess what.  I don't have to compete when my clients repeat.

Harold only works for beer a shots on St. Pats

Arvel

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard Madden, SE [mailto:gmadden(--nospam--at)maddengine.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:37 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: RE: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!


What's your bill rate Bill? How about you Arvel? Harold works for Beers and
Shots and is sorely underpaid.

I compete against guys charging $1 dollar a square foot for houses. I lose A
LOT. I just lost a church project for 40k fee after spending 2 years
advising the client on several buildings to another engineer charging 37k
and in all likely hood they gave him my proposal and said beat it and the
job is yours. This happens way too much and there is no way to prove it or
stop it. You spend all the time preparing a thorough proposal with a
detailed scope and it's passed along to your competitor.

I charge 150.00 per hour in the most expensive region of the county with the
greatest risk potential to structures. But there are a lot of engineering
firms in the area and competition is tough - because of price, not because
of capabilities. PRICE PRICE PRICE.

Doesn't matter what we stand up together and do, our fees need to be close
enough and high enough to make things better. Won't happen for residential
ever. There's always 1 or 2 (or is that Sith's) to mess it up for us.

Boo hoo. :(
-gm

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Polhemus [mailto:bill(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:13 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: Re: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!

Arvel L. Williams, P.E. wrote:

>Paul,
>
>Amen and pass the gunpowder.
>
>Arvel
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Feather [mailto:pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net]
>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:37 PM
>To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
>Subject: Re: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!
>
>
>Personally, I do not consider $150 high.
>
>My tax lawyer $250
>My contracts attorney  $350
>My accountant $250
>
>The guy who operated the backhoe in my yard, $150
>
>I wont even bring in doctors, dentists
>
>
See, this is an extension of what I was complaining about to begin with.

Can you imagine this guy sending back a partial payment to his attorney,
and complaining "your fees are just outrageous, I'm not paying a penny
more!"

It just will never happen.

Until we as S.E.s stand together in the SAME WAY that other professions
do, and insist on fair value for our work we're going nowhere.

Reminds me of the anecdote about the man who went to the dentist for
some work. Before he went in to see the Doctor, the accounts manager
went over the cost of what they were going to do. He was shocked, and
wandered into the examining room in a daze.

When the Dentist came in, the man had been brooding about the bill for
some time. As the Dentist prepared to go to work, the man took the
opportunity to rail about how ridiculous the cost of the procedure was.
"Good grief, you're only going to be installing a single cotton-pickin'
crown! It's not like major surgery or anything! How much can that stuff
cost? How much time could it possibly take? This is just outrageous!
I'll bet you have a huge home, drive an expensive car and belong to the
country club!" On and on he went.

The Dentist said nothing for awhile, then excused himself. He was gone a
few moments, then returned with a shoe box. Inside were some dental
appliance materials and various dental instruments.

"I'm sorry, sir," the Dentist said, handing the man the box. "I didn't
realize you wanted the do-it-yourself kit! That's only $49.99. Pay at
the front, and good luck with your procedure!"

--
Bill Polhemus, P.E.
Polhemus Engineering Company
http://www.polhemus.cc/


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