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RE: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!

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Gerard and I had the same Geotech instructor during
undergrad, and he always told us to not "treat soil
like dirt."  It stuck in my mind...
David Topete, SE
SF, CA
--- "Arvel L. Williams, P.E."
<awilliams(--nospam--at)gwsquared.com> wrote:

> What???  I thought we did that for free!!!
> 
> Thanks.  You used the word soil.  It always soil
> till your done testing,
> then it's dirt.
> 
> I've only found a handful of site with perfect soil.
> 
> Arvel
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerard Madden, SE
> [mailto:gmadden(--nospam--at)maddengine.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:17 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!
> 
> 
> Don't you guys charge for standing around watching
> augers go really deep
> into perfectly good soil??? :)
> 
> -gm
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arvel L. Williams, P.E.
> [mailto:awilliams(--nospam--at)gwsquared.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:02 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!
> 
> I'm a lowly geotech.  I quit competitive bidding
> engineering work last year.
> Since I won't and don't own drill rigs, it wasn't
> that bad.
> 
> Guess what.  I don't have to compete when my clients
> repeat.
> 
> Harold only works for beer a shots on St. Pats
> 
> Arvel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerard Madden, SE
> [mailto:gmadden(--nospam--at)maddengine.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:37 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!
> 
> 
> What's your bill rate Bill? How about you Arvel?
> Harold works for Beers and
> Shots and is sorely underpaid.
> 
> I compete against guys charging $1 dollar a square
> foot for houses. I lose A
> LOT. I just lost a church project for 40k fee after
> spending 2 years
> advising the client on several buildings to another
> engineer charging 37k
> and in all likely hood they gave him my proposal and
> said beat it and the
> job is yours. This happens way too much and there is
> no way to prove it or
> stop it. You spend all the time preparing a thorough
> proposal with a
> detailed scope and it's passed along to your
> competitor.
> 
> I charge 150.00 per hour in the most expensive
> region of the county with the
> greatest risk potential to structures. But there are
> a lot of engineering
> firms in the area and competition is tough - because
> of price, not because
> of capabilities. PRICE PRICE PRICE.
> 
> Doesn't matter what we stand up together and do, our
> fees need to be close
> enough and high enough to make things better. Won't
> happen for residential
> ever. There's always 1 or 2 (or is that Sith's) to
> mess it up for us.
> 
> Boo hoo. :(
> -gm
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Polhemus [mailto:bill(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:13 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Re: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!
> 
> Arvel L. Williams, P.E. wrote:
> 
> >Paul,
> >
> >Amen and pass the gunpowder.
> >
> >Arvel
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Paul Feather
> [mailto:pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net]
> >Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:37 PM
> >To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> >Subject: Re: I Got Th' "Eagle Done Flew" Blues!
> >
> >
> >Personally, I do not consider $150 high.
> >
> >My tax lawyer $250
> >My contracts attorney  $350
> >My accountant $250
> >
> >The guy who operated the backhoe in my yard, $150
> >
> >I wont even bring in doctors, dentists
> >
> >
> See, this is an extension of what I was complaining
> about to begin with.
> 
> Can you imagine this guy sending back a partial
> payment to his attorney,
> and complaining "your fees are just outrageous, I'm
> not paying a penny
> more!"
> 
> It just will never happen.
> 
> Until we as S.E.s stand together in the SAME WAY
> that other professions
> do, and insist on fair value for our work we're
> going nowhere.
> 
> Reminds me of the anecdote about the man who went to
> the dentist for
> some work. Before he went in to see the Doctor, the
> accounts manager
> went over the cost of what they were going to do. He
> was shocked, and
> wandered into the examining room in a daze.
> 
> When the Dentist came in, the man had been brooding
> about the bill for
> some time. As the Dentist prepared to go to work,
> the man took the
> opportunity to rail about how ridiculous the cost of
> the procedure was.
> "Good grief, you're only going to be installing a
> single cotton-pickin'
> crown! It's not like major surgery or anything! How
> much can that stuff
> cost? How much time could it possibly take? This is
> just outrageous!
> I'll bet you have a huge home, drive an expensive
> car and belong to the
> country club!" On and on he went.
> 
> The Dentist said nothing for awhile, then excused
> himself. He was gone a
> few moments, then returned with a shoe box. Inside
> were some dental
> appliance materials and various dental instruments.
> 
> "I'm sorry, sir," the Dentist said, handing the man
> the box. "I didn't
> realize you wanted the do-it-yourself kit! That's
> only $49.99. Pay at
> the front, and good luck with your procedure!"
> 
> --
> Bill Polhemus, P.E.
> Polhemus Engineering Company
> http://www.polhemus.cc/
> 
> 
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