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I would second your recommendation (especially as someone who works in the
timber frame/SIP world).  I have not read the timber frame article yet
(just retreive the magazine from the mailbox about 5 minutes ago), but did
read through the SIP article quickly (since it was rather short).  If
nothing else, the articles will give some good starting points for those
interested in timber framing and/or SIPs.

I did want to offer one clarification on one statement made in the SIP
article ("SIP's have been approved for all seismic zones").  This is kind
of true.  To clarify, it is possible to have SIPs tested and "approved" by
the ICC evaluation service for use in any seismic area.  New acceptance
criteria for the ICC-ES was adpoted last Spring that now includes testing
that can result in SIPs receiving an ICC evaluation report for use in all
seismic areas.  Prior to that change, ICC-ES (and the legacy reports from
ICBO, BOCA, SBBCI) would not "approve" SIPs in an evaluation report for
use in seismic area with a SDC (IBC speak) of D, E or F.  It should be
noted that SIPs could be used in such areas regardless, but it required
working with the local building official to get them accepted by
"alternative material" sections of the code.

So, along that line, most major SIP manufacturers are in the process of
doing the tests for seismic use and should have update ICC-ES reports that
include such permitted use in the near future is not already (I believe
one manufacturer already has such an updated ICC-ES report or is darn
close to having it).

Regardless, I am more than glad to assist those who might have questions
about timber framing and/or SIPs.


Adrian, MI

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Neil Moore wrote:

> I also encourage the list to read the "Structure" magazine.  The last issue
> address timber design and was excellent, addressing a number of issues that
> are discussed on this list.
> Neil Moore, S.E.
> neil moore and associates
> shingle springs, california
> At 04:01 PM 3/18/2005 -0500, bcainse(--nospam--at) wrote:
> >Not true Neil.  A colleague of mine with a Civil license got an
> >application in the mail. He asked if I thought it was an easy way to get
> >around the California SE Title restrictions.  I told him no and showed him
> >the PE Act and Board rules. He was quite disappointed.
> >Bill Cain, SE
> >Berkeley CA
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Neil Moore <nmoore(--nospam--at)>
> >To: seaint(--nospam--at); seaint(--nospam--at)
> >Sent: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:46:18 -0800
> >
> >Dennis:
> >
> >I think that this organization is was only addressed to licensed
> >structural engineers, at least here in California.
> >
> >
> >Neil Moore, S.E.
> >neil moore and associates
> >shingle springs, california
> >
> >
> >At 07:00 AM 3/18/2005 -0800, Dennis S. Wish, PE wrote:
> >>Bill Polhemus wrote:
> >>>Okay, so I get this application in the mail, the so-called SECB asking
> >>>me to become "certified."
> >>>
> >>>I see that the SECB has a couple of guys on it--Marc Barter and Ron
> >>>Hamburger--that I actually know. I see that Jeanne Vogelzang, who I
> >>>recall is the SEAoI secretary or some-such, is the "Executive Director."
> >>>
> >>>So it looks legit.
> >>>
> >>>But what the h*ll is it good for? They want $350 of my hard-earned
> >>>money--difficult to come by when clients decide they won't pay you. What
> >>>do I get in return?
> >>>
> >>>Can I call myself an "S.E."? Even without examination?
> >>>
> >>>Or is it just a "fun club" to join, certificate suitable for framing,
> >>>secret decoder ring type of thing?
> >>>
> >>>Comments are invited. I would like to support such an effort, but there
> >>>has to be some benefit accruing. I hope you understand.
> >>There is no law or legal requirements that have made changes to the
> >>current state and local laws governing th e legality of your license. I
> >>have not received these documents and as far as I am concerned this is an
> >>attempt to advertise an elite group of engineers who will claim to
> >>support anyone who joins their "club" as being qualified to practice. In
> >>other words, if you don't agree with them, then at some point in the
> >>future when they have the support of a couple thousand engineers they can
> >>claim support by the community and start to push their desire to change
> >>the national certification laws that they proposed a few years ago.
> >>My advice is to give them the brush off. Anyone who supports change like
> >>this is doing so through the back door before others have the chance to
> >>understand or review the implications.
> >>I am responding to the message obviously making some assumptions along
> >>the way since I have not received this notification and assume that the
> >>people who sent it to you are California based that it is an attempt to
> >>start up a new program in hopes of raising money that SEA OC needs
> >>because of their failure to gain new members and maintain their standard
> >>of practice on the renewal of funds that they receive from the members
> >>that are left.
> >>
> >>Dennis
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >>Dennis S. Wish, PE
> >>California Professional Engineer
> >>Structural Engineering Consultant
> >>
> >><javascript:parent.ComposeTo('dennis.wish(--nospam--at)');>dennis.wish(--nospam--at)
> >>
> >>760.564.0884 (office - fax)

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