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Gil,
 
I do not believe Ben implied in any way that if someone is not using the IBC they are not civilized, but rather that since CA would finally be moving to a CURRENT MODERN code we would be JOINING the civilized world.  The implication being that our (CA) continued use of a rapidly outdated code based on pre-1994 information with the exception of a hastily developed Northridge Patch was contributing to CA being uncivilized.  We are into our third unresolved code cycle.
 
The fact that some other country in the civilized world uses the modern equivalent in the form of Eurocode, British Standard, Canadian, or New Zealand instead of the IBC was not the issue.  The subject at hand was California Building Code, and must be taken in the context of the USA where it is highly unlikely CA could join the civilized world of the Eurocode.  Maybe the IBC should have been the Intranational Building Code.  The fact of the matter is there isn't a recognized International Building Code, though many civilized nations use codes developed elsewhere, including codes developed in the "less civilized" USA.  But then we will devolve into a discussion of the meaning of "civilized".
 
As a CA engineer, and one who has been frustrated with the CA legislature's apparent idiocy and political backhanding by pursuing the NFPA codes against virtually every professional recommendation, I understand his sentiment. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gil Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: California Building Code

Scott,

I know. Just thought I would point out that there are civilized societies outside the USA (some might think some of them more civilized) and that basically NONE of those use the IBC which is not an International document.


At 08:47 AM 24/03/2005, you wrote:
Gill,
 
I think he was referring to outside of California
-----Original Message-----
From: Gil Brock [ mailto:gil(--nospam--at)raptsoftware.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:47 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: RE: California Building Code
Importance: High

Ben,

I did not realize that all countries outside the USA were uncivilized!!!


At 03:27 AM 24/03/2005, you wrote:
We are finally joining the rest of civilized world. It will be a leap frog going from 97 UBC to 06 IBC, but it works out well since the ASCE-7-05 will be a much better document to use for seismic design than the ASCE-7-02. I personally can't wait, since IBC is also a much better code to use for non-structural provisions such as fire safety and egress.

 
Good riddance NFPA!

 
Ben Yousefi, SE
Santa Monica, CA


From: Paul Feather [ mailto:pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:55 AM
To: SEAOC List
Subject: California Building Code

 
Well, it is now official, California has reversed the decision to adopt the NFPA code and will be adopting the ICC codes.  The press statement was not specific on a time line, though a two year period was mentioned as the normal legislative cycle.  Based on this we in CA would finally see adoption of a new building code in 2007. 

 

 

 
Paul Feather PE, SE
pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net
www.SE-Solutions.net

Regards  Gil Brock
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Regards  Gil Brock
Prestressed Concrete Design Consultants Pty. Ltd. (ABN 84 003 163 586)
5 Cameron Street Beenleigh Qld 4207 Australia
Ph +61 7 3807 8022               Fax +61 7 3807 8422
email:            gil(--nospam--at)raptsoftware.com
email:            sales(--nospam--at)raptsoftware.com
email:            support(--nospam--at)raptsoftware.com
webpage:         http://www.raptsoftware.com