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Amen, Brother.

David Topete, S.E.
SF, CA
SCU '95/Clubhouse '95.1
--- "Gerard Madden, SE" <gmadden(--nospam--at)maddengine.com>
wrote:

> And sometimes you come across those that think
> drafting is beneath them. I
> personally find it to be a good break from doing
> math all day. Keeps the
> job/day interesting, especially if you work for a
> firm that does the same
> thing over and over.
> 
> It can also be a good tool for structural analysis.
> You can export into 3-d
> programs easily, get spans lengths, section
> properties, and other little
> tricks to speed up your math tasks.
> 
> At my college, cad was very much encouraged. We had
> a nice engineering
> computer lab with these huge Sparx stations from HP
> with big 24 inch
> monitors. We used it mostly in surveying and
> municipal design classes. The
> hardest part was getting a station to work on
> because the computer
> engineering dorks live in the lab and only left
> their chairs to go smoke. 
> 
> We had a senior design project to graduate, David
> Topete and I designed the
> San Francisco Giants baseball stadium all in cad for
> our senior project.
> Sure, we didn't know what the hell we were doing,
> but it's kinda cool to see
> the damn thing actually where we said it should
> go... and we were better
> than 99% of the other graduates at cad when we
> looked for a job (not that
> anyone wanted to interview us, we didn't go to Cal
> or Stanford). No thanks
> to the San Francisco Giants or their architect who
> shall remain nameless :)
> for giving us a set of "Schematic plans" to work
> from. But fortunately, we
> got a set of plans from an SF structural engineer
> who went to our lowly
> university and did a stadium in Sacramento that was
> never built.
> 
> -gm
> Santa Clara University Undergaduate Alum
> (No football team whatsoever) Pretty good soccer
> team most years.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Fisher [mailto:dfisher(--nospam--at)fpse.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:41 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Evaluate drafters' reliability
> 
> Gang:
> 
> Please feel free to add my alma matter, Purdue, to
> that list...
> 
> There, Cad is a VERY low priority in the
> Civil/Structural department.
> 
> 
> Every year, for some stupid reason, I try and
> recruit kids from there for
> both 
> Full time and internship programs...
> 
> 
> Most of them have NO cad experience WHATSOEVER!
> 
> Boy, they sure can write a finite element analysis
> subroutine in Fortran
> though!
> 
> 
> A lot of *&^%$##(--nospam--at)$^%&* good THAT does me...!
> 
> 
> Every year, I try and get my point across to the
> powers that be down in West
> LaFayette that in order to make their grads more
> marketable, they NEED TO
> LEARN CAD!
> 
> That goes even for working for firms with
> draftsmen...!
> 
> Maybe in lieu of a foreign language, they might try
> a semester of CAD... 
> 
> What response do I get?
> 
> Zero...zip.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As Mr. Wright so eloquently pointed out, if you
> don't know HOW to do a job,
> how can you supervise it?
> 
> 
> 
> The really funny thing about the whole issue is that
> Purdue was that way
> about 
> HAND DRAFTING in the 80s!!!!!
> 
> I was the only one in my group who even knew how to
> draft (yes, with a t -
> square!) in my senior Design studio!
> 
> 
> Where did I learn?
> 
> Well, I took graphics/drafting courses all through
> high school so I had a
> bit of a 
> Head start but when I got to college, I had to make
> a special request to
> take additional drafting classes through the
> architectural department as the
> CE department offered nothing.
> 
> Pathetic.
> 
> 
> It's a whole mentality that hasn't seemed to change
> over the course of many
> years.
> 
> 
> The football team IS better, though...I have to
> admit.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> David L. Fisher SE PE
> Fisher + partners
> 372 West Ontario
> Chicago 60610
>  
> 312.573.1701
> 312.573.1726 fax
>  
> 312.622.0409 mobile
>  
> www.fpse.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerard Madden, SE
> [mailto:gmadden(--nospam--at)maddengine.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:50 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Evaluate drafters' reliability
> 
> David Fisher and I have been making this point for
> years on this list.
> 
> The main drawback is you can get the biggest M.I.T.
> Geek (no offense to any
> alumnus of that fine University on this list (gail))
> who can solve a 36x36
> stiffness matrix in 5 minutes while eating a burrito
> and checking their
> stock prices on the internet, but the same Genius
> might not be able to
> detail a simple connection detail in 3 hours.
> 
> I think the universities should give a little more
> emphasis to drawings,
> connections, and cad DRAFTING. New cad only people
> come from these schools
> you see on your sick days during Jerry Springer
> commercials. Yeah, they know
> 35 or so autocad commands, but they can't DRAFT
> worth a shit.
> 
> An engineer doing his/her own drafting can leads to
> many benefits. You learn
> cad, you learn how to put things together, and MOST
> IMPORTANTLY, YOU
> UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING DRAWN. Most Cad people are
> simply Xerox machines.
> This takes time, there is a learning curve, but a
> few months into it and you
> will quickly see the benefits.
> 
> -gm
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Fisher [mailto:dfisher(--nospam--at)fpse.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:53 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Evaluate drafters' reliability
> 
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