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By "non-engineering tasks", I meant things you do not need to be a
structural engineer to do..... such as coordination, setting elevations,
etc...

I asked about the percentage of time spent on engineering vs. drafting,
because engineers make significantly more than draftsmen.   If, say, the
"engineering" part is 34%, and the drafting/detailing/coordination part is
66%, then it doesn't seem cost-effective to have engineers doing everything.

...and from past experience, I've worked with an engineer that knew all the
formulas inside & out, but couldn't set elevations to save his life.



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Feather [mailto:pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:43 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: Re: Evaluate drafters' reliability

I have comments on two levels:

First, I do not believe in having the engineers do their own drafting.  With

quality drafting staff treated like the contributing professionals they are 
rather than human xerox copiers, we are more efficient.  Engineers using CAD

as a supplemental tool is a normal part of the day, and often their efforts 
can be incorporated into the final drawing set, but this is not the norm.

With regard to what percentage of time is actual engineering, I strongly 
believe detailing and coordination IS engineering and would not classify 
them as "non-engineering" tasks.  Contract administration, insurance and 
legal issues, employee issues, selecting hardware and software upgrades, all

the usual things associated with running a business are non-engineering 
tasks; but detailing and coordinating your work is not only engineering it 
may be the most critical aspect of your work.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff George" <jgeorge(--nospam--at)ptac.com>
To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:30 AM
Subject: RE: Evaluate drafters' reliability


>
>
> Over the course of a project, what percentage of time do you guys think 
> goes
> to actual engineering, and what percent of time is drafting, detailing,
> setting elevations, coordination, etc... non-engineer tasks?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Gilligan [mailto:mark.gilligan(--nospam--at)sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:50 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Evaluate drafters' reliability
>
> Regarding the question of the engineer using CAD we
> need to remember that the ultimate goal is to leverage
> our resources to get the get the job done.  When you
> have the engineers doing all of the drafting you solve
> one problem but you limit your ability to take full
> advantage of the engineers skills because he is
> spending much of his time drafting.  I agree that
> engineers need to be comfortable with CAD so that they
> can use it when appropriate, but I believe the
> desirable solution is to have drafters who can do much
> of the drafting, and deal with many of the mundane
> tasks associated with producing drawing.  This is
> possible, you simply have to expect it and work to
> make it happen.
>
> You also have to work with some of your engineers to
> control their obsessive tendencies that make it
> difficult for them to delegate and frustrate drafters
> and engineers who have to work with them.
>
> I have seen some of the the best drafters and some
> poor drafters.  If you tolerate the poor ones that is
> what you will get.  You have to give them feedback and
> support, and when appropriate you need to help them to
> move on.
>
> Mark Gilligan
>
>
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