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NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER ad infintum,

NEVER CHECK YOUR OWN WORK!!!!!

It amazes me how you overlook some things.

Arvel

-----Original Message-----
From: M. David Finley, P.E. [mailto:pec(--nospam--at)isgroup.net]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:58 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: Re: Evaluate drafters' reliability


Not to mention that you lose a QA/QC step if the Engineer does all of the
drafting AND checks the drawing.

A good technician can easily be as valuable as an engineer.

M. David Finley, P.E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Feather" <pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net>
To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Evaluate drafters' reliability


>I have comments on two levels:
>
> First, I do not believe in having the engineers do their own drafting.
> With quality drafting staff treated like the contributing professionals
> they are rather than human xerox copiers, we are more efficient.
> Engineers using CAD as a supplemental tool is a normal part of the day,
> and often their efforts can be incorporated into the final drawing set,
> but this is not the norm.
>
> With regard to what percentage of time is actual engineering, I strongly
> believe detailing and coordination IS engineering and would not classify
> them as "non-engineering" tasks.  Contract administration, insurance and
> legal issues, employee issues, selecting hardware and software upgrades,
> all the usual things associated with running a business are
> non-engineering tasks; but detailing and coordinating your work is not
> only engineering it may be the most critical aspect of your work.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff George" <jgeorge(--nospam--at)ptac.com>
> To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:30 AM
> Subject: RE: Evaluate drafters' reliability
>
>
>>
>>
>> Over the course of a project, what percentage of time do you guys think
>> goes
>> to actual engineering, and what percent of time is drafting, detailing,
>> setting elevations, coordination, etc... non-engineer tasks?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Gilligan [mailto:mark.gilligan(--nospam--at)sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:50 AM
>> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
>> Subject: RE: Evaluate drafters' reliability
>>
>> Regarding the question of the engineer using CAD we
>> need to remember that the ultimate goal is to leverage
>> our resources to get the get the job done.  When you
>> have the engineers doing all of the drafting you solve
>> one problem but you limit your ability to take full
>> advantage of the engineers skills because he is
>> spending much of his time drafting.  I agree that
>> engineers need to be comfortable with CAD so that they
>> can use it when appropriate, but I believe the
>> desirable solution is to have drafters who can do much
>> of the drafting, and deal with many of the mundane
>> tasks associated with producing drawing.  This is
>> possible, you simply have to expect it and work to
>> make it happen.
>>
>> You also have to work with some of your engineers to
>> control their obsessive tendencies that make it
>> difficult for them to delegate and frustrate drafters
>> and engineers who have to work with them.
>>
>> I have seen some of the the best drafters and some
>> poor drafters.  If you tolerate the poor ones that is
>> what you will get.  You have to give them feedback and
>> support, and when appropriate you need to help them to
>> move on.
>>
>> Mark Gilligan
>>
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