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Don't agree.  Some of the most productive software we have uses dongles of
one type or another.  Rejecting these programs just because they require a
key is self limiting.

Paul Feather PE, SE
www.SE-Solutions.net
pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arvel L. Williams, P.E." <awilliams(--nospam--at)gwsquared.com>
To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: [WL] seaint Digest for 29 Apr 2005


> Don't do dongles.  If they need a dongle, I don't buy.
>
> Arvel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Ransom [mailto:ad026(--nospam--at)hwcn.org]
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 2:24 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Re: [WL] seaint Digest for 29 Apr 2005
>
>
> > From: "Polhemus, Bill" <Bill.Polhemus(--nospam--at)tyson.com>
> > Subject: RE: 2D / 3D Frame Analysis - Affordable
> > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> >
> > I have to give kudos to Visual Analysis. The thing that really sold me
> > on it, believe it or not, was that "thirty day demo" thing. It really is
> > fully functional; there is nothing you're "locked out" of. I used it on
> > a couple of jobs, learned how to use it, and then it made sense to just
> > go with it instead of the other product I was considering.
>
> I was involved in a complex project a few years ago. In order to confirm
> issues related to design results on the software that was being used, we
> recreated the model in VA/IES on the 30 day trial version (it was there
> and filled the need at the instant). Of course the project took much
> longer than expected and I bought a license. Liked the price. Liked the
> software. Liked the support. Sad that it won't handle Canadian code.
>
> Dr. Software (www.drsoftware.com) produces Dr. Frame and Dr. Beam.
> INEXPENSIVE and great for FAST conceptual and what-if work. Concurrent
> model and analysis gives instant feedback. Not really "design" software
> since you will have to back up your design with some manual calcs but
> the grunt work is done. Mac and Windows.
>
> I REALLY like MultiFrame by Formsys, Australia (or Daystar
> www.Daystar.com in US) for its price range. I have been using it for
> about 10 years. Most structural software is begining to match the
> interface for useability. Very friendly for quick model generation and
> load application. Cell entries will interpret an entered equation,
> directly, much like a spreadsheet - leave your calculator at home. Cut
> and paste to/from spreadsheets or write a linked interface. Dynamic
> analysis. You can get more advanced analysis capabilites but this is
> very useful for most work. Reports are awesome with limited flexibility.
> Sad that it won't handle Canadian code directly but you have some
> flexibility to define your own code checks. Sad that they dropped
> development on the Mac version but the Wintel version is sweet.
>
> So, I recently bought RISA 3D (www.risa.com) for another complex
> project. In retrospect, they were not completely open in their responses
> to some of my pre-purchase questions. I would have purchased the
> software, anyway. However, customer support has been good. Wish for
> friendlier model building capability! DXF import has been essential
> (okay, did I mention that I REALLY like Multiframe ...). Physical member
> feature can be useful but it can also be painful. Some very nice
> analysis capabilities. Reporting and data management (can cut/paste to
> spreadsheet/database software) really needs a post-processor when you
> have more than a couple dozen unique member configurations (any software
> developers listening?). Envelope and detail reports cannot be generated
> in the same analysis run. I haven't received my copy of the latest
> upgrade so I can't be completely thorough in my review.
>
> SODA (4.0 just released), brought to you by Acronym Software
> (www.acronymsoftware.com), which also produced Woodworks. Excellent
> customer support. I have a tender spot for this one as it was spun-off
> from my Alma Mater, University of Waterloo (no great football but the
> Concrete Toboggan team always places at the top and the solar car just
> pulverized some distance records). This software has 2 very unique
> features:
> 1) True structure optimization. Most software simply determines that a
> member is inadequate and increases/decreases the member. SODA will
> determine where the steel is most efficient in the TOTAL structure and
> modify specific members to obtain least overall weight. Member
> parameters can be restricted for optimization. Analysis/optimization is
> very efficient.
> 2) Deflection limits are resolved using energy methods <--- does YOUR
> software do this? Not in this price range!
> Import/export CSV files. Good reports but not flexible. US and Canadian
> steel standards (but not S16-01, yet). They are looking for an interface
> development partner. I have a dream that they get together with Formsys
> (Multiframe).
>
> I have another dream: software companies with the need for a dongle
> (hardware lock) will actually put their entire installation software on
> the dongle - like a game cartridge. So, when I move the lock to a new
> machine, I can install the software as well, without searching for the
> CD. Dongle manufacturers, are you listening?
>
> --
> R. Paul Ransom, P. Eng.
> Civil/Structural/Project/International
> Burlington, Ontario, Canada
> <mailto:ado26(--nospam--at)hwcn.org> <http://www.hwcn.org/~ad026/civil.html>
>
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