RE: aci 318-02 appendix d

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• Subject: RE: aci 318-02 appendix d
• From: Padmanabhan Rajendran <rakamaka(--nospam--at)yahoo.com>
• Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:07:22 -0700 (PDT)
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```I did not say that psi6 has anything to do with
thickness.

Which formula implies capacity reduction with
increasing c1?

Rajendran
--- "Lutz, James" <James.Lutz(--nospam--at)earthtech.com> wrote:

> I didn't say "h" wasn't the thickness of the
> concrete, all I was saying is
> that there is something odd about the way capacity
> is reduced when you
> increase c1, when in fact it should be the other way
> around. Psi6 is an
> adjustment factor for a corner condition and has
> nothing to do with
> adjustment for thickness.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Padmanabhan Rajendran
> [mailto:rakamaka(--nospam--at)yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:19 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: aci 318-02 appendix d
>
>
> 'h' is not the embedment depth. It is the thickness
> of
> concrete. Edge effect is embedded in psi6. If
> c2>1.5c1
> then psi6=1. psi5 accounts for the the eccentricity
> of
> bolt CG in relation to the CG of the foundation
> footprint. If h >=1.5c1 and c2>=1.5c1 Vb is
> proportional to (c1)^1.5. If c1 is large, Vb will be
> large too, meaning that the breakout strength in
> shear
> will not control design.
>
> I don't see any confusion in using the referenced
> section.
>
> Rajendran
>
>
> --- "Lutz, James" <James.Lutz(--nospam--at)earthtech.com> wrote:
>
> > Jack, this problem has been driving me nuts since
> > you called me up to talk
> > about it this morning.
> >
> > We are talking about the breakout strength of an
> > anchor in shear. This is
> > taken as a basic value Vb times a series of
> > reduction factors, Av/Avo, psi6,
> > and psi7 (leave psi5 out of the discussion for
> now,
> > since it's an adjuster
> > for group action). Psi7 is just a constant, so it
> is
> > not relevant to the
> > discussion either, which centers around the
> > equations that include edge
> > distances c1 and c2 in them.
> >
> > The Vb value is proportional to c1^1.5, with no
> > apparent limit other than
> > the fact that at some point Vs will control
> > capacity.
> >
> > The Av/Avo value cannot exceed 1.0 and is intended
> > to adjust for the ratio
> > of the actual thickness of the concrete to the
> > maximum of 1.5c1, and for the
> > actual width of the breakout surface versus the
> > maximum of 3c1. Another way
> > to express this is (h/1.5c1)*(width/3c1). As c1
> gets
> > bigger and bigger,
> > Av/Avo reduces to zero pretty quickly irrespective
> > of the other variables,
> > which seems a little counterintuitive to me. You
> > would think that you should
> > only get penalized if c1 gets smaller, not the
> other
> > way around.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shapton & Partners
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:13 PM
> > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > Subject: Re: aci 318-02 appendix d
> >
> >
> > David, a little while ago I spoke with Basile
> Rabbat
> > on this issue.
> > Basically, if c1 = infinity, how can c2 = infinity
> x
> > 1.5 (which would
> > yield Av/Avo <1)?  This is not the intent.  B.
> > Rabbat recognized the
> > issue and thought clarification would be coming.
> It
> > is my understanding
> > that Hilti has figured this out.  I believe the
> > solution relates to a
> > concrete thickness of 1.5 x the embedment depth as
> > this is thier
> > standard with Re-500 anchors. Looking at their
> > tables, you can see that
> > if c1and , c2 are greater than 1.5 x the
> embedment,
> > Av does not enter
> > into the pixcture. Sorry for the disorganized
> > response, I am just going
> > out to a meeting, saw your subject, and wanted to
> > send something that
> > might initiate further discussion.
> >
> > Jack Shapton
> >
> > David Adie wrote:
> >
> > > shear force parallel to an edge
> > >
> > > D.6.2.1 - footnote c - recognizes the fact that
> c1
> > in psi 6 doesn't
> > > make sense but equation D-21 includes Vb which
> > still has c1 embedded
> > > in it.  what value to use when c1 = infinity?
> > >
> > > tia
> > > da
> > >
> >
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