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I found this note amusing on one hand and definitely scary on the other.

On a typical job we encounter, section 05 of the spec. is subdivided into
structural, joists, deck and metal fabrications (or misc. metals). Each
section contains exclusions and points to another section where they may be
found. This eliminates the need for a note of this type plus the need to ask
for a clarification.

I recently completed a project where about 5 tons of structural steel was
missing from the drawings. There was no note telling us this and the
fabricator certainly would not have included it in his quote.

For this reason I now refuse to quote jobs with notes of this kind.

Dave 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Feather [mailto:pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net] 
Sent: May 27, 2005 10:55 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: Re: Steel-Detail: this just in......

Gary,

Dave's post indicated a note in the specs, not necessarily a note on the 
structural drawings.


Paul Feather PE, SE
www.SE-Solutions.net
pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Hodgson & Associates" <ghodgson(--nospam--at)bellnet.ca>
To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: Steel-Detail: this just in......


> Paul,
> I think what Dave is referring to is the structural
> steel.  You are right but the structural drawings
> should include a note similar to your first paragraph
> in which you direct the bidder's attention to all the
> other stuff. The structural drawings in that case were
> most likely referring to the designer's covering his butt.
> Gary
>
> On 26 May 2005 at 16:59, Paul Feather wrote:
>
>> This would be in regard to miscellaneous steel elements as part of the
>> Architectural, steel support elements that are part of the Mechanical,
>> and so on.
>>
>> It is not realistic to assume that the structural drawings will detail
>> every piece of steel in a building, most of the miscellaneous stuff is
>> not in our contract.  We are responsible for the structural elements,
>> you know, holding the building up and keeping it stable.  I am not
>> responsible for the fancy angle iron light sconce fixture or the
>> suspended open lattice ceiling treatment, or even the decorative
>> guardrails and railings.  Typically we are not contracted to provide
>> the piping and mechanical supports either, especially if they are in a
>> yard or on grade as opposed to roof mounted.
>>
>> Just because it is steel doesn't make it structural.
>>
>> Typically the structural and miscellaneous are separate contracting
>> contracts as well.
>>
>>
>> Paul Feather PE, SE
>> www.SE-Solutions.net
>> pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "dave lowen" <jatech(--nospam--at)kwic.com>
>> To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:37 PM
>> Subject: FW: Steel-Detail: this just in......
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: steel-detail(--nospam--at)yahoogroups.com
>> > [mailto:steel-detail(--nospam--at)yahoogroups.com] On Sent: May 26, 2005 4:23 PM
>> > To: 'Steel Detail' Subject: RE: Steel-Detail:
>> >
>> > .......but I've got a job here with a note in the specs
>> > that says "The structural drawings are not intended to represent all
>> > the steel required on this project."  I guess they're actually
>> > intended to show just a little bit of the steel required?.........
>> >
>> >
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