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Just as an aside, I just spent 6 hours yesterday sitting
& writing exams on my code knowledge. My butt is still
numb.  The Ontario government decided that too many
drawings and specification were being submitted with
code errors so they mandated in their wisdom that every-
one submitting drawings for permit approval had to pass
exams on their code knowledge. This includes architects,
engineers, draftsmen(houses & small buildings),
contractors, sewage system contractors and also "building
officials!".  It was an exam on the code rather than your
technical smarts.  I wrote general/legal/process in the
am and strucural in the pm--e.g. a structural question:
what is the minimum lateral load for an interior wall
that acts as a guard around a shaft? ; a legal question:
if a Stop Work Order is issued, when is it effective?
It was all multiple choice with a lot of "trick" questions
so you had to read carefully. I only mention all of this
because of the thread on the codes by Gail & others.  
The real purpose of the  government is to download more
responsibility on to the  designers, as they have
mandated we have to have insurance and set minimum
amounts.  Most(designers) of us feel it is over-kill
and highly resent it.  I still have to write large
buildings and maybe complex buildings,e.g. hospitals

On 31 May 2005 at 13:08, GSKWY(--nospam--at) wrote:

> In a message dated 5/30/2005 10:59:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> rkazanjy(--nospam--at) writes:
> Thanks for the code litany, you made my point.  :)
> I am not exactly sure what your point is.  
> Reading, understanding, and questioning the code (codes)  is an
> essential part of being an engineer.  One could have a long and
> productive career as an engineer without knowing anything about any
> code but at one's retirement party one might wonder why one had done
> the same thing for 45 years.  The answer would probably be that nobody
> trusted one to do anything more than plug numbers into a design
> program and/or copy standard details onto a set of plans.
> However, unfortunately many engineers never do progress to the point
> where they understand the codes well enough to question them.  And
> they don't have  time to comment on draft engineering code documents
> because they are too busy commenting on the level of bureaucracy in
> schools.
> For example,  ACI will be releasing a residential concrete standard
> (ACI 332) that will be to the IRC what ACI 318 is to the IBC.  How
> many people on this list bothered to take the time to comment on it?
> In my opinion, what ACI put out for public comment was a pretty
> worthless piece of trash.  I am not sure how much improved the final
> version will be.  It has not come out yet, even though public comment
> closed last July.  However, even with significant improvements,  it
> will still be really bad.  But if you had a chance to improve it, and
> didn't bother, I don't think you have any grounds for complaining.
> btw the "slab on air"  illustration is a very good one, sometimes
> fewer words create more meaning.
> You are entitled to think whatever you want.  Although in my personal
> opinion, an engineer who refers to an "air-supported slab"  or an
> "air-supported bridge"  deserves the ridicule they will receive.   If
> you can't deal with the concepts of "beams" and "columns" you
> shouldn't be in engineering.  
> The term "air-supported" could, however,  be used to refer to things
> like the fabric domes that are used as  enclosures for tennis courts
> in the winter.  
> Gail Kelley

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