Subject: Re: SLIGHTLY O.T. (Architectural) - Seal Detail for Metal Building Abutting Existing Structure
From: Robert Kazanjy <rkazanjy(--nospam--at)gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:38:18 -0700
I'm not sure I understand your proposed building, tank, pump
arrangement but it seems like your customer wants the "stuff" in or
protected by the building but doesn't want the tank "in" the building
but they want it close.
Do I have your situation understood?
For them to get the best building for their use & their money they
need to have their ME discuss the equipment, piping & tank ssues with
you so the two of you can bouce ideas off each other.
To design the building around but not around the equipment is going to
lead to a frustrating experience for you and a sub-optimal result for
Working together you can achieve the most cost effective / workable solution.
Your situation is kinda like them saying ?
"I want a garage for my truck but only the cab has to kept out of the
weather but the door / wall still has to seal around the rest of the
truck so the weather cannot get into the garage Also any seal can only
mpart minimal loads to the truck"
The systems are too coupled at this point, they're needs to be some
Perhaps they're failing to see how their ME layout is greatly
increasing the SE complexity.
The tank is pretty big;
50' x 10' high or 30' dia x 30' (my calcs might be wrong, using the
PC calculator; my HP is ???)
so putting it in the building is pretty much out of the question,
If the tank is short you could have the roof line of the building go
over it and "seal" (not really) with some sort of draped material; the
partial intersection of a rectangle and a cylinder.
Freezers have doors but also split curtains, they're talking about
"leaving the door open" all the time, a less than great idea?
How about some heated / insulated / buried piping & the pump in the building?
How about a small heated / insulated pump house?
Shelteriing the pump & piping with the shed (how big is it?) may seem
a cute idea to the plant folks but if it requires a whole lot of
tricky stuff for you & the builder than it's not.
On 6/6/05, Polhemus, Bill <bill.polhemus(--nospam--at)tyson.com> wrote:
> I've got kind of a funky little building I'm sketching up. It is meant to be
> a housing for a chilled-water pump area sitting just outside a 150,000
> gallon fiberglass tank. I'm making it CFS framing with CFS skin (e.g. "R"
> and "U" panels).
> I did have the building "done" originally, with the piping going out through
> the back of the shed into the tank. Then I was informed that they want the
> shed to actually come right up to the tank and shelter pumps, piping and all
> appurtenances, to guard against any possibility of freezing.
> To make it more complicated they had moved the pumps over so that they are
> not now radial on the diameter, but offset parallel to the diameter. So the
> house will be kind of "cattawumpus" at the back where it abuts the tank.
> All that is probably clear as mud, but don't worry: It doesn't really impact
> my question.
> Since it's an FRP wall tank, I'm not going to attach to it in any way. So
> I'll need some sort of seal--like a "sweep" or something of the kind--that I
> can attach to the building to make sure that both tank and building can move
> independently while still maintaining decent protection from moisture, etc.
> coming from the outside.
> I realize this is hardly "SEAINT" material, but I thought with all the
> things we've collectively seen someone might have run across something that
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