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Jordan,

The electrons start to hurt when you stretch them like that! ;-)  But nice
try!

Regards,

Scott
Adrian, MI


On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Jordan Truesdell, PE wrote:

> Really? I would consider this an educational forum, and would anticipate
> you, as a "teacher", would like to distribute a small excerpt of the
> magazine as part of your "lesson."  Looks like fair use to me! *ducks*
>
>
> Garner, Robert wrote:
>
> >I'm sitting here looking at the subject article in C.I. and realizing I
> >can't send you a copy without breaching copyright.  I would like to call
> >you and read out appropriate sections of the article but I have to go
> >give a deposition and imagine that will take a long time.
> >
> >FRUSTRATION!!!!!!!
> >
> >Bob Garner, S.E.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Lutz, James [mailto:James.Lutz(--nospam--at)earthtech.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:19 PM
> >To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'
> >Subject: RE: More confusion with concrete
> >
> >How's this for an idea. ACI's last annual report pegs their cost of
> >non-periodical publications at about $3.5 million a year. If Uncle Sam
> >bought the annual copyrights from ACI for about this amount and put the
> >publications on the web for free, it would amount to a tax burden of
> >about a
> >penny a year for every man, woman and child in America. To put this in
> >perspective, it has cost every man, woman, and child in America about
> >$600
> >so far for the Iraq war.
> >
> >Then every person who ought to have access to this information but can't
> >afford it would have it at their fingertips. I think they should do all
> >the
> >code publications this way, since they are all basically legal documents
> >now
> >and ought to be available on the same basis (free) as copies of statutes
> >and
> >state administrative codes.
> >
> >Call me a commie. I don't care.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Polhemus, Bill [mailto:bill.polhemus(--nospam--at)tyson.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:50 AM
> >To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> >Subject: RE: More confusion with concrete
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Shapton & Partners [mailto:shapton(--nospam--at)nwlink.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:29 PM
> >To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> >Subject: Re: More confusion with concrete
> >
> >Elias: Read "Shear Towards a Free Edge". Concrete International, March
> >2004.
> >
> >-----/Original Message-----
> >
> >Well, while Mr. Sharpton's complaining about the SEAINT list-members,
> >let me take the opportunity to gripe about ACI.
> >
> >I went to ACI's website to find the CI article mentioned. Turns out, you
> >can ONLY access these online if you are "subscribed" (meaning, I guess,
> >you are an ACI member or otherwise entitled to receive CI mag. In the
> >mail).
> >
> >So I thought, well, maybe they'll let me give 'em a couple of bucks to
> >download the article. Sure, turns out they want TWENTY DOLLARS just for
> >the PDF for that one article.
> >
> >I belonged to ACI for awhile, but I had to make some decisions last year
> >about all the bucks I was paying out for various org memberships and I
> >let ACI slide. It's pretty expensive, if you want the goodies. I believe
> >I paid a bundle a couple of years back to get the membership level where
> >you go the MCP CD-ROM, for example.
> >
> >But I don't get this about CI. AISC gives me a complimentary
> >subscription to Modern Steel Construction every year (for which I
> >gratefully thank them). I get SE mag gratis as well. I get "Structure"
> >for my nominal (I think it's like $30 a year) NCSEA fee (though you have
> >to also belong to the local SEA, which is only something like $40 or $50
> >more).
> >
> >For some reason, though, ACI thinks their snot would make mayonnaise (to
> >quote my sainted grandmother). EVERYTHING there is at cost. It's just
> >perplexing--and frustrating.
> >
> >Yes, I remember we've talked before about how AISC is an "industry
> >group" but ACI is more of a "technical organization," but they both walk
> >and quack like ducks (though don't ask me what ACI smells like right
> >now). They both publish standards that make their way into the building
> >codes, they both publish all kinds of guides and recommended practices,
> >etc.
> >
> >I know that on a "per word" basis, ACI probably has AISC beat insofar as
> >publication is concerned--but isn't there a little something called
> >"economies of scale?" That is, since ACI publishes so much, they
> >probably tend to get lots of individual orders as a result.
> >
> >I think, personally, that ACI exhibits the almost inevitable tendency of
> >an "umbrella organization" to break free of its original mandate and
> >become "about itself" rather than about its mission. Perhaps I'm unfair,
> >but it seems like every time I turn around, I have to pay through the
> >nose for anything coming from ACI.
> >
> >I really would like to read the article Mr. Sharpton mentions--but I
> >guess I'll have to wait till I get back to Houston and see if I have the
> >hard-copy of the March 2004 CI (I think I was still getting the mag up
> >until last year).
> >
> >RANT OFF.
> >
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