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Bill said:
<snip> "Microstation is the de facto standard for highway and transportation engineering where it doesn't come close anywhere else. </snip>
Are you saying the Microstation does not have the functionality to "come close anywhere else" or that it does not have the industry support.  Either way, I beg to differ.  We have been users of Intergraph, and now Microstation for at least 20 years, standardizing on it due to the requirements of our primary client, the Corps of Engineers and previous clients, the Kentucky DOT.  Many of the CAD users we have hired over the years began with AutoCAD and after climbing the short learning curve with MicroStation, do not ever wish to return to having to deal with AutoCAD.  Having said that, when we do have a requirement to provide a client AutoCAD files, it is a real PITA.
As far as the 3D modeling, I don't know anything about Revit but we have been using Bentley's Triforma Building Information Modeling (BIM) system for a few years now and I doubt that any AutoCAD products come close to the abilities of Triforma.
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From: Polhemus, Bill [mailto:bill.polhemus(--nospam--at)]
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Subject: RE: Arch. Desktop / Revit Structure

From: Yi Yang [mailto:YI(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Arch. Desktop / Revit Structure

I believe Revit STRUCTURE is a new product.

Kind of interesting to realize that "PC" software is finally, just now, getting to the point where integrated design/model packages like RAND-MICAS or MICASPLUS (on Intergraph CLIX) were back in the late 1980s on the *nix distributed workstation platform.
This isn't a case of the hardware capability finally catching up--we've had "PC" hardware and networking capabilities on a par with those old *nix VAR systems for seven or eight years now.
Rather, it's the case of the SOFTWARE side catching up. It's probably because the effort involved to come up with CAE systems at this level just haven't had the profit potential.
"Back in the day" when Intergraph was selling these large-scale MicroVax-based engineering workstation systems--minicomputer host systems, networking, graphic CLIX workstations, and training, price of all that specialized hardware was more than worth the price of admission. And that price was very large indeed.
A typical medium-sized engineering office could expect costs approaching one million bucks.
These companies made a killing on the hardware. There was none of the industry standardization of hardware that we take for granted today (even in the case of the processors, all but a very few are "compatible" with the Intel standard). There was a lot of innovation and "we have what the others don't". And systems like CATIA were VERY much tailored to the industries in which they were used.
Lots of government money going around--Intergraph got quite stupidly rich off government & military contracts for their systems, which were so ubiquitous in that market that to this day Microstation is the de facto standard for highway and transportation engineering where it doesn't come close anywhere else.
Anyway, with the kinds of software products that we use almost become "commodities"--heck, I saw a full copy of Autocad 2006 sitting ON THE SHELF at Fry's Electronics in Houston--hypothetical developers cannot charge the confiscatory rates that once were the rule, and so they don't seem to have the incentive to "port" a lot of these sophisticated CAE systems to today's platforms.
I've been amazed at the capbilities that much of the software we use DON'T have compared to what we used in the Golden Age of CAE in the 1980s.

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