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Dennis,

The other possible solution is to try switching to "digest" mode.  At a
minimum if it is your email system causing the problems, then it will
minimize the number of times it happens if not completely eliminate it.

The suggestion to go to a private email account is a good one, especially
with free email accounts readily available.  This could, however, create a
problem if you want access to SEAINT from work, as some employers frown on
or block web access, especially to web-based email accounts (this
certainly could be the case for a government network that has national
security implications, I would guess).

And to come to your defense at least a little, if the problem is truly a
read receipt issue, then you a likely not the only one to "blame".  If it
is read receipts, then the person who sent the message requesting a read
receipt for whick your system automatically generated a read receipt
deserves some of the blame.  In other words, people should make sure that
they are not ask for read receipts when they send messages to the SEAINT
list.

Beyond that, personally I could care less about the extra messages.  They
don't bother me one bit.  I routinely get about 300+ spam messages a day
on my various email accounts...and guess what, some enterprising computer
geek already built in the perfect spam tool into my computer...it is
called a "delete" key.  It is somewhat annoying to have to do this...yes.
But, amazingly enough, I continue to live after ever spam message that I
delete!  <grin>

Regards,

Scott
Adrian, MI


On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 bcainse(--nospam--at)aol.com wrote:

> Dennis-
> I'm surprised and sorry that you didn't read my response which was sent at 17:14:05 on June 2, 2005 (just 42 minutes after your reply, although I have to admit it didn't elicit one of those crazy return reciepts you seem to like to send) suggesting a very practical solution that would keep you from missing any of the posts on the liserver.  Since I did not receive any response, I just assumed you wanted to continue to annoy the list while "slopping" at the public trough (from a .gov domain).
>
> Get a private email account if you want to be taken seriously by the listserver folks.  That way you won't be jeopardizing "national security" unless your purpose for being on the list is to be the government's "minder" of the list. With a private account, where you CAN turn off the "Return Receipt" feature, you won't be taking up unnecesary bandwidth.
>
> I've taken the liberty to copy the list to let everyone know you've chosen not to be part of the solution.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bill Cain, S.E.
> Berkeley CA
>
> FORWARD OF PRIOR RESPONSE TO DENNIS NIEHOFF
> --------Original Message-------
> From: BCainse
> To: dennis.niehoff(--nospam--at)srs.gov
> Sent: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:14:05 -0400
> Subject: Fwd: Allowable Stress for flexural members with yield points greater than 65ksi
>
>
> Dennis-
> The suggested solution would be for you to use the "Leave Seaint" method of unsubscribing from your "secure" site and use the "Join Seaint" method from an off national-security-site location, non-secure email account (such as possibly your own private account? a Yahoo account, a hotmail account) like most of the rest of us do. That way you would not be jepardizing national security nor annoying several thousand busy structural engineers with useless messages. "Not my fault, national security made me do it" is NOT a good answer.
>
> Others on the SEAINT listserver have repeatedly complained of your "Return Receipts" in the past. You should choose to be part of the solution rather than the problem by taking the above action and you wouldn't miss a single post on the listserver.  BTW, we'd like to see an occasional post contributing your knowledge to the listserver.
>
> Bill Cain, S.E.
> Berkeley CA
>
> FORWARD OF EMAIL RECEIVED TODAY FROM DENNIS NIEHOFF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dennis.niehoff(--nospam--at)srs.gov
> To: bcainse(--nospam--at)aol.com
> Sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:36:12 -0400
> Subject: Fw: Allowable Stress for flexural members with yield points greater than 65ksi
>
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>
> I sent the email attached below two weeks ago and haven't heard anything from you directly.  I assume that means you have nothing positive to contribute but only desire only to continue to clog the list with your inane "one liners".  If you have beef with me, please take it up directly and don't drag down the list with this crap.
>
> Dennis Niehoff
> Phone  (803) 725-4501
> Pager (803) 725-7243 #12321
> ----- Forwarded by Dennis Niehoff/BSRI/Srs on 06/17/2005 03:26 PM -----
> Dennis Niehoff/BSRI/Srs
> 06/02/2005 04:32 PM Tobcainse(--nospam--at)aol.com
> cc
> SubjectFw: Allowable Stress for flexural members with yield points greater than 65ksi
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> I took the time once before to explain the problem.  You have probably noticed that these messages come up periodically for other individuals as well.  My computer does not originate these messages.  I check it out with computer security at my location (a national security site that takes computer security extremely seriously) and was informed that the email results from "spoof"  software which picks up email address and then sends back replies such as the one you noted.  I informed the SEAINT list manager of the problem and told him he could block any incoming email with my name on it if necessary to avoid the problem.
>
> If you truly have a problem with junk email being sent on the list, I suggest you handle issues of this type off-line, so that you won't be part of the problem (your email went out the entire list).  It is always preferable to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem.  If you would care to make a suggestion on how the situation can be corrected, please send me an email or give a call.
>
> Dennis Niehoff
> Phone  (803) 725-4501
> Pager (803) 725-7243 #12321
> ----- Forwarded by Dennis Niehoff/BSRI/Srs on 06/02/2005 04:13 PM -----
>
> Isn't it wonderful that Dennis got this message!
>
> Bill Cain, S.E.
> Berkeley CA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dennis.niehoff(--nospam--at)srs.gov
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Sent: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:20:45 -0400
> Subject: Allowable Stress for flexural members with yield points greater than 65ksi
>
> Return Receipt
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>   Your       Allowable Stress for flexural members with yield points
>   document:  greater than 65ksi
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>   was        Dennis Niehoff/BSRI/Srs
>   received
>   by:
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>   at:        06/02/2005 07:20:45 AM
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