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Yeah, I agree...  I kind of rambled on with my reply. 
I second the motion.  It's official:  J. Truesdell is
president-elect of this SEAINT list server.  Three
cheers.
DT, SE
SF, CA

--- "Arvel L. Williams, P.E."
<awilliams(--nospam--at)gwsquared.com> wrote:

> WOW.  I like this description.  Very to the point.
> 
> Arvel
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Jordan Truesdell, PE
> [mailto:seaint1(--nospam--at)truesdellengineering.com]
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:16 AM
>   To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
>   Subject: Re: Unlicensed firms and engineers
> 
> 
>   Kevin Polin wrote:
>     Dear Board,
> 
> 
> 
>     ?I'm amazed to find out how many people
> generally don't know that
> stamping a set of plans is the result of a design,
> not a separate service we
> offer.?
> 
> 
> 
>     I am amazed that you do not see this as a
> legitimate business
> opportunity.
> 
> 
> 
>      ?There is a common misconception, aided by the
> plan-stamping architects
> and engineers out there, that plan-stamping is a
> legitimate service. Most
> people assume that it is the equivalent of a private
> consultant reviewing a
> set of documents for compliance, and required
> because the town or county
> planning office is to lazy or too risk-averse to do
> it themselves.?
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> 
>     I do not want to get flamed here but maybe you
> should reconsider your
> thinking. If a geotechnical engineer gives you a
> recommendation and you
> follow the recommendation then that?s an accepted
> form a business.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Well, the Geotechnical engineer provides me a
> report with his seal.  I
> didn't do the work, so I don't claim the result - my
> drawings either note a
> bearing pressure in accordance with the IBC
> prescriptive loads, or reference
> the report by name, date, and person sealing the
> work.  Same for civil
> drawings.  I'm not sealing their work. In fact, I
> won't commission their
> work either - I require the owner procure the report
> directly.
> 
>   There is a "business opportunity" here, but it
> relies on the acceptance of
> the building department.  I have reviewed a set of
> plans prepared by other,
> out-of-state engineers.  If I find that the analysis
> is correct, I will
> write a letter stating my findings and seal the
> letter. For laymen like
> yourself, I suppose the seal isn't clear enough in
> its meaning. A seal does
> not indicate the approval of the signing engineer,
> but an affirmation that
> the engineer personally prepared or substantially
> supervised the preparation
> of the work (plans are just a readable form of the
> design and analysis
> behind the structure).  Perhaps, if every seal bore
> the inscription: "This
> document was created under my direct supervision" it
> would make more sense
> as to why it is illegal to "plan-stamp."
> 
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