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- From: "Gary Hodgson & Associates" <ghodgson(--nospam--at)bellnet.ca>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:51:17 -0400
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Denni, Arvel et al, Talk about politically correct-I saw in this morning's paper where a British teachers' group wants to use the term "delayed success" for failed students. I can see some homeless guy on the street with a tin cup and a sign saying "Delayed Success Student". Gary On 26 Jul 2005 at 8:24, Arvel L. Williams, P.E. wrote: > Dennis, > > Liberal in this sense does not mean political. But it most certainly > does mean a radical change in how we view and implement educational > policy. Our educational policies are just plain wrong. You sound > like an involved parent. I try to be an involved parent. However, > with the gobbdly-gook that being taught, I cant' tell where my > children's is heading. > > If you think that the "current theme" in education is just related to > the single complete term of one president, you are naive and don't > follow educational policy historically. The current problems began > with the "Department of Education" and have increased geometrically, > like all unchecked bacterial infections. The current policies are > just a "political hack" on the part of Bush to make him self look good > for re-election and are simply an extension of already existing > government systems. > > I don't much care for some of W's domestic policies. > > If we really want to fix education get the Federal Government back to > their real role and out of the state and local areas of power. > > Your argument about "lowering the bar" and then not enforcing > standards is bi-polar. They are all the same condition where > "personal responsibility" has been thrown out of the window by lawyers > resulting in our current society that why we can't have grades. You > are not responsible for your actions. Put hot coffee between you legs > and drives off. That's ok, the burn is the fault of the big > corporation not the idiot that put the hot coffee between their legs. > Stamp that set of drawing that someone else drew, After all "You are > not responsible." Symptoms of the same disease. > > Got to work now. > > Arvel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis S. Wish, PE [mailto:dennis.wish(--nospam--at)verizon.net] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:18 PM > To: SEAINT Listservice > Subject: RE: Can Americans Compete ? > > > From: "Arvel L. Williams, P.E." <awilliams(--nospam--at)gwsquared.com> > To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org> > Subject: RE: Can Americans Compete ? > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C58EB0.9BA5A680 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I don't get it. We know that the problem is the liberal approach to > education with a move away form "Competition of grades" to no one > fails (it is just deferred success). All the studies, experts show > that we have to have grades. But we don't. Why? > > Arvel > > How dare you Arvel, make this a political issue? This affects all of > us Conservative and Liberal and if, as the state of congress agrees to > date, the majority in Washington is conservative, then the blame would > lie in the last six years of "All children left behind". This is a > parental issue, not a political one and each parent who does nothing > to promote education in their homes and takes the time to make sure > that their children are suceeding are at fault. This is lazy and it is > not an issue due to politics since the current theme in education is > promoted by this administration. The truth is that American > institutions are losing students to lower cost education outside the > United States. Please don't use the conservative ploy "Prove it" as I > will make it my goal to spend every moment of my vacation that I am > not planning to spend with my grandchildren to prove you wrong. I know > this is true as I am well read and am not stuck to one partisanship > although I am conservative in some things and liberal in (admittedly a > majority) of other issues. Marriage, education and ethics are three of > my top conservative issues that I would support and from the position > of education, our problem in political but one that has to do with > parents and in part the money available in each state that is kept > from education and lowering the teacher student ratio. So what is a > grandfather doing with an understanding of this issue - raising my > granddaughter and helphing my grandchilren with the problems they face > in education. I was brought up to believe that education was important > - I wasted my years in High School and most of my college experiences > in the 60's and early 70's but at 30 years old I knew that without an > education I was going nowhere. Now 25 years later I have a comfortable > lifestyle, but am raising my grandchild and am appalled that cuts in > the state budget are aimed at education and schools are not hiring > teachers that care, but those who look forward to summer vacations > when they can have some free time. > > So please don't give me this argument against competition for grades - > it exists but as an instructor (or prior before the state budget cut) > I learned that many students need incentives to succeed and sometimes > it is lowering the bar in order to move them along with an incentive > to retake the course and do better next time but not to fail the first > time. > > Dennis > -- > > > -- > > Dennis S. 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