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>>- What are your suggestions for improving government's
>>  response to such catastrophes?

Answer the question - why is it that the great American relief efforts 
(that I can think of - surely not an exhaustive list) of the past century 
were either military or heavily dependent on the military? Those efforts 
include Herbert Hoover's oversight of the American Relief Administration 
during and immediately after WWI, the Berlin airlift, the Marshall Plan and 
much more recently, the tsunami relief coordinated with the Aussie, Indian 
and Japanese militaries. I think it boils down to command structure and a 
deep understanding of logistics sadly lacking elsewhere at all levels of 
government.  None of the above relief efforts happened in the 24-48 hour 
time period people are now demanding, but thats where the bar has been 
raised to now. And the violence and depravity in NO requires a military 
presence.
I don't think the DHS can cut the mustard - a big bureaucracy, diffuse 
charter, people still trying to figure out the mission. A gaggle of 
posturing and preening Washington politicians holding hearings won't do it 
either. Why don't we as a country invite the best and brightest 
non-military logistics specialists to work on the problem? That would be 
WalMart and its more successful competitors. (That would drive some people 
nuts, but who cares?) And does Peggy Noonan not look prescient in her WSJ 
op-ed urging the president and Congress to reject any military bases 
closures - a savings of only $50billion over 20 years? We need staging and 
logistical support areas. These (and other) bases could become dual use and 
reduce the militaries concerns over having their warfighting budget dinged 
for relief.

>> - Why rely on the "government" to supply your
>>compassion?  There are plenty of volunteers down
>>there, why not join them?

Careful - remember that if you go to an emergency location, you need your 
very own logistics 'tail' so you don't become part of the problem.

Chuck Ritter
JAR Associates, Inc
401-294-4589
401-294-3826 fax

-----Original Message-----
From:	John Riley [SMTP:jpriley485(--nospam--at)yahoo.com]
Sent:	Monday, September 05, 2005 10:57 PM
To:	seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject:	Re: Is Everyone Present And Accounted For?----[Choices]

- Reduce its size to the point of disappearance!
Possibly you shouldn't smoke that stuff prior to
contributing to this list.  I'm certainly not telling
you what to do, just wondering what the value of that
type comment is.

- What are your suggestions for improving government's
response to such catastrophes?

- Should the people in New Orlean's have been forced
at gunpoint to evacuate, maybe using the 200+ school
buses available?

- Why rely on the "government" to supply your
compassion?  There are plenty of volunteers down
there, why not join them?

John Riley



--- Rhkratzse(--nospam--at)aol.com wrote:

> I guess one can look at this in either of 2 ways:
> 1.   All levels of government are doing the best
> they can under very
> difficult circumstances, or
> 2.   Our government--"of the people, by the people,
> and FOR the people"--has
> been trying for almost a decade to reduce its size
> to the point of
> disappearance, hoping to reduce taxes to the same
> point, and now the chickens have come
> home to roost.
> Take your pick.
> Ralph
>
> In a message dated 9/5/05 1:56:35 PM,
> spraguehope(--nospam--at)hotmail.com writes:
>
> > Our company has one engineer not accounted for in
> New Orleans.
> >
> > 26 August, Friday - FEMA MO Task Force 1 was
> activated the evening
> >
> > 27 August, Saturday - MO FT 1 light rescue team
> deployed
> >
> > 28 August, Sunday - Hurricane Katrina upgraded to
> Category 5
> >
> > 29 August, Monday - Hurricane Katrina made
> landfall.A  Search & Rescue
> > followed
> >
> >
> > 30 August, Tuesday - FEMA TAC teams were notfied
> for activation.
> >
> > 31 August, Wednesday - Additional MO TF 1
> resources deployed
> >
> > I was in meetings with the Navy on 31 August and
> Army on 1 - 2 September and
> > did not deploy.
> >
> > Black & Veatch deployed about 30 engineers for
> repair of the cell telephone
> > system last week.
> >
> > Following is a report in the Kansas City Star
> about what is going on.A  The
> > full article is at:
> >
>
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/12561019.htm
> >
> > Regards,
> > Harold Sprague
> >
> > .........Dustin Rackers, 25, of Jefferson City,
> was riding in a military
> > truck with 15 rescued victims from a six-story
> apartment building. His job
> > was to take them to the New Orleans airport. Most
> of these victims were in
> > wheelchairs. FEMA told him to drop the victims
> there because medical workers
> > were treating victims at the airport.
> >
> > But when Rackersa?? team pulled into the airport,
> a local law officer pointed
> > a gun at him and told him to go away. Wea??re
> full, he told Rackers. Take them
> > to the freeway.
> >
> > a??I could not drop those people along Interstate
> 10 a?| I couldna??t do it,a?? he
> > said.
> >
> > So Rackers drives to the sprawling Saints
> facility, to temporarily leave the
> > victims at the Missouri teama??s base camp. Again
> he is stopped. Several
> > deputies and polices officers point weapons at
> him. We dona??t care, one
> > officer says, as Rackers tried to explain. Take
> them AWAY.
> >
> > Rackers frantically calls FEMA, which again tells
> him to take the victims to
> > the airport.
> >
> > At the airport, another weapon is pointed in his
> face. Except this time, a??a
> > nurse was nearby and began yelling, a?~We want
> them, we want them,a?? a??
> > Rackers said. All told, the victims had been in
> his truck for four hours as
> > he drove back and forth. .......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Bill Polhemus" <bill(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc>
> > >Reply-To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> > >To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > >Subject: Is Everyone Present And Accounted For?
> > >Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:29:16 -0500 (CDT)
> > >
> > >Not much chatter about that Nine-Hundred-Pound
> Gorilla in the room:
> > >Hurricane Katrina.
> > >
> > >Undoubtedly some on this list were affected. Are
> you okay? Does anyone
> > >know any particulars about any individual
> affected?
> > >
> > >My daughter was incommunicado for several days.
> She lives in Mobile and
> > >decided to stay--much to her sorrow.
> > >
> > >The worst that happened, though, is that the
> clutch burned out in her car
> > >when she tried to evacuate to her mother's house
> in Birmingham, and she
> > >was stranded at a motel for a day or two--without
> power.
> > >
> >
> >
>
_________________________________________________________________
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> Search!
> >
>
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> >
> >
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