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- From: "Harold Sprague" <spraguehope(--nospam--at)hotmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:39:07 +0000
Jordan,It is interesting to note that a 135-145 mph peak gust wind load at the Superdome is the low end of a Saffir-Simpson Category 3 hurricane. I would not want to have been in there in a Category 5. The wind pressures for a Category 5 would have been about twice that of a Category 3.
I am glad I am not the one who said the Superdome could withstand a Category 5. Obviously that was a bogus statement.
The Superdome was also not on the list of pre-approved shelters in the New Orleans emergency response plan. I notified my FEMA contacts that this was a bad decision when I heard the announcement early on 4 September.
I had also contacted my wind guru buddies who said that it was highly unlikely that the Superdome was designed to resist a Category 5. Given the codes in use at the time of design, the problems noted with analytical design from Andrew, and the lack of wind tunnel testing at the time of design. At the time the Superdome was designed, the code used a fastest mile wind of about 105 mph. This is about 128 mph 3 second gust. Today's ASCE 7 would have had it designed for about 130 mph peak gust. Not much difference.
The interesting thing is that the 1.15 importance factor would have been on the pressure today and not on the velocity as it was in the past. This means that for the superstructure, the more conservative design would be for the ANSI A 58.1.
(v=130 mph peak gust, I = 1.15) ANSI A58.1 -72 p = 57.2 psf ASCE 7-02 p = 49.8 psfThe biggest difference in the codes would have been in the cladding coefficients with the ANSI A58.1-72 were much less conservative than the ASCE 7-02.
By the way ASCE 7-02 (Cat 5 v=190 mph, I = 1.15) p = 106 psf.I was just comparing stagnation pressures, but that is a pretty quick and easy way to get an overview of the design of the primary structural system.
Regards, Harold Sprague
From: "Jordan Truesdell, PE" <seaint1(--nospam--at)truesdellengineering.com> Reply-To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org Subject: Re: Katrina emergency response Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:50:01 -0400 I haven't had a chance to look at the NOAA site, but did d/l the wind data from FEMA. Just looking at the two .jpg files was quite enlightening. If the windspeeds shown are accurate, there should be a lot of accounting in MS and AL, as the winds were high, but not above the published speeds in ASCE-7. It does appear the NO took a direct hit, and had windspeeds 5-10mi on either side of the storm track that were 15-20mph above the published 50 year data, though most of that was inland. It looks like Katrina was above the design criteria for a swath about 50 miles wide and 200-300 miles long, thogh most strucutres should have held except where the winds were 10-15+mph above the design. I was interested to note that the windspeed at the superdome looks to have been 135-145MPH. If you take the worst case speed around there at 150mph and take the square, you get about 1.15x force. Interesting that for a strucutre of that size, the I factor would have been 1.15. Thanks to both Jim and Harold for the links. Jim Hannah wrote: As an alternative you might also want to review the NOAA surface wind speed maps from the following source: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/index.html They have a whole library of surface wind maps for several years including all of Florida's Hurricanes during last year. Thanks, Jim Hannah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Sprague" <spraguehope(--nospam--at)hotmail.com> To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: RE: Katrina emergency response For those who are technically inclined, you may want to take a look at the preliminary FEMA wind velocity maps at: http://www.floodmaps.net/eftp/checkfile.asp?file=FA27_ARA27c.zip Regards, Harold Sprague
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