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If an effort ensues to silence or ostracize one
contributor for OT content, then let's be
painstakingly diligent about imposing the same on all
violators on each side, lest the effort be construed
as liberal censorship.

The archives can be used to sort it out.

John Riley


--- Scott Maxwell <smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu> wrote:

> As I have said before, I have no problem with Bill's
> (and others) OT
> posts.  If I don't like them, then I delete them.
> 
> I will, however, point out that there is sort of a
> policy that _IS_ posted
> in the SEAINT website.  This is from the FAQ on the
> site:
> 
> 23. Can I post a joke to the list?
> This list server is intended to focus on the
> Structural engineering
> issues.  Normally, the jokes are NOT welcome by
> members. However, an
> occasional joke relating engineers are allowed,
> provided the content is
> not regarding race, religion or ethnicity. If your
> email is found
> inappropriate by the administrator, you will be
> warned and may be
> suspended from the list.
> 
> While the FAQ does not directly address all OT
> (especially political
> based) subjects, it does point out that there _IS_
> an "appointed" "police
> officer" of the list...the list administrator (aka
> Shafat).  Thus, it is
> logical to assume from the FAQ item that if enough
> people complain about
> someone and their posts, then Shafat is entitled to
> take action.  In
> otherwords, if Shafat deems the posts of someone
> "inappropriate", then he
> may choose to take some action.
> 
> But, I frankly could care less if Bill (and others)
> keep posting OT stuff
> to the list.  While I will disagree with most of
> what Bill spews, I have
> no problem with his right to spew it (even if I find
> some of his comments
> offensive).  If his comments start to bother me,
> then I will either filter
> his posts or delete them.  Until then, I will
> continue to read them as
> they tend to amuse me (self-rightous "truth sayers"
> tend to amuse me with
> their smug "know-it-all" attitude as they present
> their beliefs and
> opinions as known fact).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott
> Adrian, MI
> 
> 
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Robert Kazanjy wrote:
> 
> > Ain't it great, those who don't like what Bill has
> to say, wish to use the
> > powers that be to silence
> him.........................
> >
> > if you don't like off topic posts; ignore or
> delete them............
> >
> > there are lots of posts, on & off topic, that I
> think are stupid; I ignore
> > them, it's easy
> >
> > if you cannot find the delete key, look in your PC
> manual, they all come
> > with at least one.
> >
> > to the self appointed list police, no one voted
> for you, stop acting like
> > you have some sort of mandate, you don't
> >
> > cheers
> > Bob
> >
> > On 9/12/05, Randall Moore, PE, SE
> <ranmoo(--nospam--at)ec.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think this is a fair way of addressing the
> "problem" as some see it ....
> > >
> > > ...... I would likewise say that if you feel
> that the off topic posts are
> > > NOT
> > > detrimental or that they DO have a place on this
> board, that you can join
> > > me
> > > in stating that to the list administrator as
> well.
> > >
> > > Randall Moore PE, SE
> > > Wilmington NC
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sherman, William" <ShermanWC(--nospam--at)cdm.com>
> > > To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:22 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Bill Polhemus
> > >
> > >
> > > While I try to be tolerant of occasional
> off-topic posts (and I
> > > sometimes even contribute!), I agree that limits
> have to be set when
> > > someone cannot seem to control their off-topic
> postings or are insulting
> > > to other list members. I do not agree that
> "pressing the delete key"
> > > should be the only option when such postings
> become excessive.
> > >
> > > But rather than posting your opinions here, if
> you feel that a list
> > > member is abusing their privileges on the
> listserver, I recommend
> > > sending an email with your concerns directly to
> the list administrator
> > > at:
> > >
> > > seaint-ad(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > >
> > > Depending upon the number of complaints, the
> administrator can then
> > > determine whether action needs to be taken.
> > >
> > >
> > > William C. Sherman, PE
> > > (Bill Sherman)
> > > CDM, Denver, CO
> > > Phone: 303-298-1311
> > > Fax: 303-293-8236
> > > email: shermanwc(--nospam--at)cdm.com
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: Eli Grassley
> [mailto:elig(--nospam--at)psm-engineers.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 12:17 PM
> > > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > > Cc: admin(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > > Subject: RE: Bill Polhemus
> > >
> > > I second that. For this list to remain a viable
> forum for
> > > engineering discussion, there must be some kind
> of a limit for "off
> > > topic" posts.
> > >
> > > I would say that insulting the wives of dead war
> veterans would
> > > more than cross that line.
> > >
> > > I challenge everyone to CEASE responding to any
> current
> > > off-topic threads. Those of you that can't are a
> poor example of
> > > professionalism.
> > >
> > > ~~ Eli ~~
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Hemstad
> [mailto:mhemstad(--nospam--at)mbjeng.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:03 AM
> > > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > > Cc: admin(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > > Subject: Bill Polhemus
> > >
> > > Bill Polhemus wrote:
> > >
> > > "...And feel free to give her my email address,
> if you like. As
> > > I said
> > >
> > > before: I really do not care any more what
> anyone thinks of my
> > > beliefs
> > >
> > > or opinions."
> > >
> > >
> > > That's been clear for a long time, Bill.
> > >
> > > I think it's time for you to go away. So,
> apparently, do most
> > > of the other participants here.
> > >
> > > Shafat, please, please, remove this clown from
> our List so we
> > > can go back to talking about engineering.
> > >
> > > Mike Hemstad
> > >
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