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I did not deploy to the World Trade Center, but my team (FEMA USAR Missouri Task Force 1, ADA "Yellow Shirts") was deployed. None of the structural specialists I know can recall Doug Copp.

Our team wore the fire resistant USAR yellow shirts to help them stand out in the field.

Harold Sprague

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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:10:16 -0800

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  What is a "moment of frequency"?
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Interestingly enough, this is from an article by Mr. Copp published on 10/22/05.

"Doug Copp is the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. He has crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60 countries."

So apparently Mr. Copp has recently crawled into 19 collapsed buildings. One wonders how he has found the time, given the fact I believe he is under investigation by the Justice Department for defrauding the 9/11 Fund.

I must say, it was rather interesting to research Mr. Copp on Westlaw and LexisNexis (the two major legal databases.)

It turns out he is Canadian, and the Canadian papers have apparently taken great delight in trashing him. As I believe he stated in a previous post, he is not an engineer. However, I think one of the articles did say he took (and failed) two or three engineering courses before he switched his major to philosophy.

The article I am referring to is Mr. Copp's "top ten tips for earthquake safety". This is #7 on the list.

7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs before they fall are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly mutilated. ...

Let's just say the article was not published in an engineering publication.

    Gail Kelley


    Dear Members:

At collapsed buildings, in major disasters (many hundreds if not thousands of collapsed buildings) time and simplicity are of the essence. Having said this and considering that our very lives are at risk as we crawl inside these piles of rubble it is necessary to be practical and highly functional ( I have personally crawled inside of 894 collapsed buildings).

We wet a piece of paper (usually 8"X10") and stick it over the crack. The wet paper will stick by itself.

    If there is any movement whatsoever the wet paper tears.

    Simple yet effective.

    doug copp

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