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What I feel regarding the Kuwaiti design practice is that most of the engineers are using wl2/8 for their design simply because it's easy.
I  agree with what you have said. Definitely in CIP columns there is  moment tranfer and should be designed for moments.
I don't agree with your view and your argument is against ACI 318 S.8.8.1. What will happen if we are not designing column for the moment it attracts based on the gross section area?.

On 17/12/05, Scott Maxwell <smaxwell(--nospam--at)> wrote:
I am going to disagree to a degree.  The point is that for typical CIP
concrete frames end up such that columns can and do "resist" moments, even
if you don't want or expect them to.  Typical CIP concrete frames have
"non-discontinuous" joints...i.e. they are done in such a way that the
column is placed such that it is "integral" to the beams.  As such,
typically there is rigidity there and as such moments are transferred into
the column.  You have to work pretty hard to detail typical CIP concrete
beam-to-column connections so that there will not be moment transfer into
the column...especially if you don't want whatever moment is present to
cause undesireable damage to the joint and/or column.


Adrian, MI

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 ASQENGG2(--nospam--at) wrote:

> Ashraf,
> If you have a separate system for lateral resistance then designing  the end
> column for moment is not necessary. You can even design the beams  as simply
> supported and the columns with minimum eccentricity provided you  detail them
> correctly.
> If your column can not resist moment then the joint is considered hinge and
> as long as the beam is designed as simply supported then the beam will be
> able to resist the moment. As you have said the beam adjoining the column  is
> designed with maximum moment, i.e. wL^2/8. then you are on the right  track.
> ASQuilalaJr., P.E.
> Message dated 12/15/05 10:59:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> ashraf.manjappara(--nospam--at) writes:
> I am not able to understand their logic and they are not accepting my  view
> that every column should be designed for the moment it attracts.  They are
> forcing me to design columns only for axial  load please make your
> comments.
> regards
> Ashraf

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