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Yeh, yeh - there's a reason why I was a C student in English...

 

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From: bcainse(--nospam--at)aol.com [mailto:bcainse(--nospam--at)aol.com] 
Sent: January 4, 2006 3:57 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: Re: Structural Plan Review Question

 

"pier review"?  Do they look at anything else? 

 

Bill Cain, S.E.
Berkeley CA

 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Elbury <kelbury(--nospam--at)elburydolan.com>
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:40:51 -0800
Subject: RE: Structural Plan Review Question

Stuart, 

You are correct, but in my opinion, this is passive quality assurance,

the Engineer of Record can always gamble and skip having the pier review

done. All I am saying is this document is required for all projects but

it needs to be administered by an independent 3rd party.

 

Kevin

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Stuart, Matthew [ mailto:mstuart(--nospam--at)schoordepalma.com
<mailto:mstuart%40schoordepalma.com> ] 

Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:57 AM

To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org <mailto:seaint%40seaint.org> 

Subject: RE: Structural Plan Review Question

 

What about the APEGBC Guideline for Structural Concept Review?

 

D. Matthew Stuart, P.E., S.E., F. ASCE

Senior Project Manager

Structural Department

Schoor DePalma Engineers and Consultants 200 State Highway Nine

Manalapan, NJ 07726 732-577-9000 (Ext. 1283)

908-309-8657 (Cell)

732 -431-9428 (Fax)

mstuart(--nospam--at)schoordepalma.com <mailto:mstuart%40schoordepalma.com> 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Kevin Elbury [ mailto:kelbury(--nospam--at)elburydolan.com
<mailto:kelbury%40elburydolan.com> ] 

Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:27 PM

To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org <mailto:seaint%40seaint.org> 

Subject: RE: Structural Plan Review Question

 

In British Columbia, we are seeing exactly the opposite - IMO, the

building departments do not want to look at drawings for fear of

attracting liability to themselves.  The really only care that there is

the red stamp on the drawings, and in some areas I honestly believe I

could I could get a building permit with a sealed cartoon! I'm being

fececious but in 15 years of practice, have ever only recieved one call

from a plan checker because of fire resistance rating on a concrete

column in a parkade. 

 

Also, it is very common here for the building authority to issue a

letter to the Owner and Consultants stating that they will not come to

the site for field review and that this responsibility must be carried

entirely by the consultants.

 

I am watching the s?#t hit the fan on a local condominium project (about

300 units, construction completed) where

- 50-60% of the footings are under capacity by by 7 to 100% overload

under gravity only.

- 60 % of the concrete columns are under capacity

- transfer slab overloaded by 100%... the list goes on.

 

This is an extreme case of gross negligence but never would have

happened with independent 3rd party review, the key being "indepedent

3rd party". Myself and my partner have lobbied our association on

numerous occasions that this is really the preferred method for quality

assurance but have never really recieved a warm welcome (in BC engineers

are self governed). 

 

Kevin

  

 

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From: Haan, Scott M POA [ mailto:Scott.M.Haan(--nospam--at)poa02.usace.army.mil
<mailto:Scott.M.Haan%40poa02.usace.army.mil> ] 

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:29 PM

To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org <mailto:seaint%40seaint.org> 

Subject: RE: Structural Plan Review Question

 

 

 

I worked for a local building department in a home rule municipality.

They actually hire structural engineers to do the work who are willing

to work for the pittance - just kidding guys.   Authority to do

structural review was in the city's charter which I believe had to be

voted on by residents.  I also think the state had to grant the local

government the authority to do structural plan review.  That stuff

happened way before my time.

 

 

 

The municipality had different service areas.  The Building Safety

Service area only covered parts of the municipality.  I think the

building department had it put on the ballot several times to bring the

entire municipality under it's jurisdiction and the homebuilders did

some effective campaigning in the outlying areas and put the cabosh on

it every time.

 

 

 

If you want local structural plan review, I would start by calling with

your local city council man, city manager, state legislators and mayor

and also try to convince  the people who run your local building

department - the ever powerful local homebuilders association.

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Chuck Hanson [ mailto:chuckh(--nospam--at)dpsabq.com
<mailto:chuckh%40dpsabq.com> ] 

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:03 PM

To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org <mailto:seaint%40seaint.org> 

Subject: Structural Plan Review Question

 

 

 

Has anyone out there been personally involved in the process of

convincing their local Building Department to implement review of

structural drawings and calculations as part of the permit review

process? Our state and local building departments do not have engineers

on staff qualified to review our work, so they only take a cursory

glance at the structural drawings on most projects. The SEANM has been

discussing the advantages of independent review of structural design

work and would like to hear if any other organizations have been

instrumental in convincing their local governments that this is a good

thing.

 

 

 

Please copy your response to me privately as I'm pretty far behind in

reading my mailing list digest. Thank you.

 

 

 

Chuck Hanson PE, SECB      

 

 

 

 

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