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Wouldn’t this become a conflict of interest as soon as a professional has an ownership interest?  I’d be interested in hearing comments on the ethical issues this question raises? 


I agree that it seams architects would have more leeway than the lowly engineering consultant though because of their normal “owner representative” role. 




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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy White [mailto:jwhite(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Savvy Billing Practices




It seems architects have more opportunity for this type of thing since they are generally the prime on the project and they have direct contact with the client.  SE’s can’t really barter with architects (or can they?).  Did this architect end up making out pretty well financially or did it just make his life too complicated? 




-----Original Message-----
From: Mark E. Deardorff [mailto:mdeardorff(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:53 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Savvy Billing Practices


I knew an architect that used to trade services for a piece of the pie. But typically he only contributed his profit and overhead. He needed to maintain a cash flow to cover labor costs.


Mark E. Deardorff, Structural Engineer
Burkett & Wong
San Diego, CA

From: Jeremy White [mailto:jwhite(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:29 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Savvy Billing Practices


It seems to me most structural consulting firms bill their engineers out at approximately the same rates (NYC firms may be higher than average?).  A firm with a well known brand name may be able to bill higher, but they still can’t bill too far beyond the curve or architects will go to a lower priced firm.  I believe that an hourly or lump sum billing can’t be the only way to get paid for a job.  Does anyone know of any firms, engineers or architects, who have been creative in how the get “paid” for a job, such as, doing work for free but gaining partial ownership of the building in return for their consulting? 



Jeremy White