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The problem I've run into with exchange is that the
other party refuses to provide his services.
Irv 

--- Kevin Polin <KevinPolin(--nospam--at)Cyberonic.com> wrote:

> *       you still have to take it as income so there
> is probably no net tax
> gain.
> 
>  
> 
> Who Says? Why spoil the party? Big Oil companies and
> large corporations
> receive more tax breaks and know more loopholes than
> any small firm will
> ever be able to take advantage of.
> 
>  
> 
> Reporting a camping trip because it was services
> exchanged in lieu of
> payment is really streeeeeeeeetching it, but Maybe
> that is the engineer in
> you. 
> 
>  
> 
> Implying that you must report services exchanged in
> lieu of payment, so you
> might as well just charge them is a very bad policy.
> 
>  
> 
> Kevin
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark E. Deardorff
> [mailto:mdeardorff(--nospam--at)burkett-wong.com] 
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:16 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Savvy Billing Practices
> 
>  
> 
> All I know is that he hasn't done it in years. I
> think some of the projects
> were simply bad investments. We have been offered
> such opportunities but,
> upon analysis, we felt we could invest the money
> more profitably. Even when
> you trade services you still have to take it as
> income so there is probably
> no net tax gain.
> 
>  
> 
> Mark E. Deardorff, Structural Engineer
> Burkett & Wong
> San Diego, CA 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Jeremy White [mailto:jwhite(--nospam--at)holbertapple.com] 
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:03 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Savvy Billing Practices
> 
>  
> 
> Mark,
> 
>  
> 
> It seems architects have more opportunity for this
> type of thing since they
> are generally the prime on the project and they have
> direct contact with the
> client.  SE's can't really barter with architects
> (or can they?).  Did this
> architect end up making out pretty well financially
> or did it just make his
> life too complicated?  
> 
>  
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark E. Deardorff
> [mailto:mdeardorff(--nospam--at)burkett-wong.com] 
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:53 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Savvy Billing Practices
> 
>  
> 
> I knew an architect that used to trade services for
> a piece of the pie. But
> typically he only contributed his profit and
> overhead. He needed to maintain
> a cash flow to cover labor costs.
> 
>  
> 
> Mark E. Deardorff, Structural Engineer
> Burkett & Wong
> San Diego, CA 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Jeremy White [mailto:jwhite(--nospam--at)holbertapple.com] 
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:29 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Savvy Billing Practices
> 
>  
> 
> It seems to me most structural consulting firms bill
> their engineers out at
> approximately the same rates (NYC firms may be
> higher than average?).  A
> firm with a well known brand name may be able to
> bill higher, but they still
> can't bill too far beyond the curve or architects
> will go to a lower priced
> firm.  I believe that an hourly or lump sum billing
> can't be the only way to
> get paid for a job.  Does anyone know of any firms,
> engineers or architects,
> who have been creative in how the get "paid" for a
> job, such as, doing work
> for free but gaining partial ownership of the
> building in return for their
> consulting?  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeremy White
> 
> 


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