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I have a copy of paper published in Hydrocarbon journal. Pipe was support on a steel portal frame. The example The author has provided the detail calculations. I believe the paeper fit your need. Please let me know if you are interested. You may need  A.. klienlogel book to solve rigid frame analysis or simple program to solve frame.
I do have A. Klienlogel book. 

>>> seaint03(--nospam--at) 02/16/06 9:28 AM >>>


Operating temperature - 100-150 F - warm water

Length - over 600 ft., no insulation

Loops - Expansion

Anchors - resist expansion at equipment at ends


I'm considering using a Teflon pad or a roller bearing type support form the
Cooper catalogs that I was referred to in other posts.  I was going to check
with Cooper for the relative price differences.  I would think the Teflon
slide would be more expensive.  Any reason why I shouldn't use the roller





From: Padmanabhan Rajendran [mailto:rakamaka(--nospam--at)] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:47 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at) 
Subject: Re: Pipe Support Detail


1. What is the operating temperature?
2. Why do you have the loops in the layout?
3. Why do you have to provide anchors at the ends?

A teflon pad has a coefficient of friction of about 0.1 to 0.15 (the actual
value depends on the contact pressure). Use of teflon pad will lower the
longitudinal force you are referring to. You may want to do a google search
for Fluorogold to get some data on teflon pad.

If you provide answers to above questions, I may come up with some


Rich Lewis <seaint03(--nospam--at)> wrote:

I read some about this subject in the archives but couldn't find the answers
to my questions.  I have a situation where I need to support two 12" and one
14" diameter horizontal runs of water lines about 20 feet above the floor.
I am not able to hang them from the roof structure so I need to design a
frame to support them.  I will have anchor frames at each end and an
expansion loop in the middle.  Right now I am looking at the typical
intermediate frame supporting the pipes about 23 feet on center, not the
anchor frames.  I was considering a Tee type frame or a vertical stick frame
with outriggers to support the pipe.  I prefer the Tee system because I
could more or less balance the loads across the top.  I was told if I could
stack the pipes vertically instead of horizontally side by side it would
help with the expansion loop.  Using a stick type frame with outriggers puts
all the load eccentric to the column on the same side.


I think what will influence my final decision will be the type of connectors
of the pipe to the frame.  There is no insulation on the pipes.  As I see it
I need some type of slide or roller connection to allow the pipe to expand
and not push the frame.  I looked at bare steel friction sliding and decided
it was too great to fight with the frame.  I looked up a sliding type pipe
connection on the internet to set the pipe on the top cross member of the
Tee.  I was thinking that maybe if I hung them from the beam instead of
sitting on top I could have a swivel hanger type connection.  If I use one
of these though I would think I need a swivel at the pipe bracket and at the
beam hanger nut location.  I didn't see any like this.  As I see it, this
would also put a slight rotational moment around the support column.  I saw
there are roller type swivel connections.  This would take out the
horizontal component of the pure swivel.  Unfortunately there load carrying
capacity was lower than I need of about 3,500 pounds.


I'm looking for suggestions in two areas from engineers who have experience
in pipe support:

1.	Is it better to have the supports sitting on a cross beam or hung
form a cross beam?
2.	What connection material would be recommended to allow the pipe to
move longitudinally relative to the support frame?


Thanks for any insight.








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