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You missed my point. "Manufacturers" have responsibility, but its merely financial. I was told a long time ago that in any safety critical area, there must be "one ass to kick."  In other words, a single, real, physical human being who is responsible for something.  I think its one of the prime failings of our society that corporations have taken the place of people in bearing "responsibility."   Corporations can't go to jail.  When there's a defect in an auto that causes dozens of deaths, there isn't an engineer, or CxO, who loses his license to practice. There's a fine and a recall, but there's no personal accountability.

The danger isn't that we know about these things, it's that they may invalidate all the analysis and building code standards we design to, and the marketers play up the "wow" factor, ignoring the practical implications.  I know we're not supposed to have to account for user errors, but experience shows that we usually end up involved anyway.

Daryl Richardson wrote:
        There are a great number of fasteners like screwed hooks, or , for that matter even nails, screws and bolts which can easily attach more load to a joist than the joist can support.  I don't think it's realistic to hold the manufacturer accountable for abuses resulting from the end use of his device.
        At the same time I do not agree fully with Jordan that the manufacturers have no responsibility for the strength of their connectors.  If a manufacturer is going to state that his device can support 200 pounds (s)he had better be very sure that it actually can support 200 pounds.
        On the other hand, if you actually see someone adding excessive loading to a floor joist regardless of the type of fasteners they are using you probably would be smart to c.y.a. and tell them so in writing.
H. Daryl Richardson
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Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:26 AM
Subject: Lumb-R-Grip Hanger Hooks

I like to watch the DIY Network on DirectTV, but one of the commercials I saw scared the hell out me. The commercial was for a product called "Lumb-R-Grip" Hanger Hooks. If you view this in HTML or RTF format then you should be able to see the image that I attached. If not it is probably an attachment to this message and I would advise you to look at it.

Lumb-R-Grip Hangers

Take a look at the website for at the following URL:
In the ad shown on TV the hooks are advertised as holding up to 200-pounds and the above URL gives a good idea of how it can be used in a basement. The TV ad hangs 20 one-gallon cans of paint from one hook suggesting that you can use as many hooks as you need to hang everything currently on the floor from the bottom of a floor joist, garage ceiling joist or the bottom chord of an exposed truss or in a shed with exposed rafters. Nowhere do the advertisements for this product warn the user against overloading structural members. The web site ad happens to show a duffel bag hung from a hook, but does not suggest limiting what is within the duffel bag or how many bags should be hung or where they should not be gathered.
I believe many of us often see areas in garages above the rafter ties or above the lower chord of a roof truss that the owner converts to storage. The resulting damage is costly to repair and products such as this may contribute to structural failures without some warning by the manufacturer.

The product is sold at Home Depot, Ace Hardware, through and many other sources.

I've left a review warning potential buyers of the product that they should be used responsibly. I would like your opinions as well. Should we, as a professional community, issue warnings on products that if misused can create a structural failure?

It would seem to me that anyone who can come up with the idea would understand the ramifications and risks in using the product.

Your opinions would be appreciated,