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Scott-
We'll take it in installements since you've now "rung the bell."  :<) 
Regards, 
Bill Cain, S.E.
Berkeley CA
 
Scott Maxwell wrote: 
-----Original Message-----
<snip> ....
 I would address the various "excuses" for
why this is necessary, but don't want to waste people's time unless there
is a desire for the debate here.

Regards,

Scott
Adrian, MI


On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Caldwell, Stan wrote:

> Scott & Bill:
>
> As a current member of the ASCE Board of Direction, I can personally attest 
that the second rule of ASCE conduct is "Thou shall not compete with the ASCE 
members and their employers."  [The first rule, of course, is "Thou shall not 
violate the ASCE Code of Ethics."]  This policy, more than any other, is why the 
ASCE Board voted to dissolve the Civil Engineering Research Foundation (CERF) 
last January.  In fact, I was one of the three directors assigned to write the 
report that led to that decision.
>
> From time to time, various public agencies ask ASCE to lead independent, third 
party reviews of substantial civil engineering issues.  The first such review 
might have been in 1872, involving the management of the design and construction 
of the Brooklyn Bridge.  Some recent examples include the bombing of the Murrah 
Federal Building, the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers, the terrorist 
attack on the Pentagon, and the failure of the levees in New Orleans.  The 
Dulles Metrorail Tunnel is merely the most recent such request.
>
> ASCE responds to these requests by putting together volunteer panels of 
nationally and internationally recognized experts, providing staff resources to 
support their activities, and facilitating their meetings, presentations, and 
publications.  The experts are individuals, not companies.  They work as 
volunteers with expenses partially reimbursed.  The nominal costs of the 
independent reviews varies based on the circumstances involved and the 
requesting agencies are billed for these costs.
>
> Volunteer service as a professional engineer is a rewarding endeavor in many 
ways, but not financially.  It can also be addictive.  Since last October, I 
have spent an average of 3 days/week and 3 trips/month on ASCE business.  In 
return, I receive no compensation beyond partial reimbursement for travel 
expenses.  I am grateful for having a family and an employer that will tolerate 
this for the next three years.  It also explains why the SEAINT Listserv is no 
longer distracted with my off-topic and politically incorrect posts.
>
> It is easy for a design engineer to sit at his/her computer and criticize the 
nonprofit organizations that serve the needs of engineers.  It is quite another 
thing to get actively involved with one or more of these organizations.  Such 
involvement can greatly alter an engineer's perspective.
>
> Now I must sign off.  Seven emails have arrived from ASCE while I was typing 
this message.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stan R. Caldwell, P.E., F.ASCE, F.AEI
> ASCE Technical Region Director
> President, Building Security Council
> Vice President, Halff Associates
> Dallas, Texas
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:30 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Is ASCE Competing Against Us?
>
> Bill:
>
> You hit on something that was "buzzing" in the back of my head during this 
thread...there is nothing in that press statement that the ASCE-led panel that 
would say one way or another if there is compensation involved.  The majority of 
folks that responded assumed that this was something that ASCE was contracted to 
do.  I, however, assumed when I first saw this "news" in my ASCE email 
newsletter assumed that it was going to be an ASCE-led volunteer panel, much 
like every single ASCE committee is comprised of volunteers that don't get paid 
for their work.  When this thread popped up, I must admit that I went back and 
re-read the news release and I cannot see anything that says one way or the 
other.  Thus, I don't know if it is a paid effort or not.  The only thing that I 
can say is that we may all be potentially guilty of making an assumption based 
upon our preconceived notions of ASCE.  I made a "positive" assumption that it 
was NOT a paid effort, but rather ASCE "volunteering" to help cause I generally 
thing positive things of ASCE (except when you start to talk about their whole 
Master's degree as the first professional degree push).
> It appears that you made a "negative" assumption that it was a paid effort due 
to what appears to be your somewhat negative (from my perspective at
> least) view of ASCE.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
> Adrian, MI
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Polhemus, Bill wrote:
>
> >
> > I say this with all due respect to folks like Stan Caldwell, who I
> > know act out of a certain sense of altruism. And I don't mean to say
> > that business interests are anathema. And further, if I'm
> > misunderstanding this--if the individuals or ASCE itself isn't getting
> > any significant compensation for this and they're doing it out of
> > public spiritedness--I profoundly apologize.
> >
>
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