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Clients like yours give architects a bad name.


Not all are like that. Most of mine are not.


One of the first conversations I have with a new client is that all of the dimensions I will show (most of which are on the foundation only) are associative and will be based on the architectural plan. I clarify that, even if his/her wall section thickness is based on the total thickness of the wall (including finishes), they will be considered as Face Of Stud (F.O.S.) on the structural drawings. I give the architect one opportunity to change the backgrounds before I proceed. If s/he insists that I not dimension in this manner, I suggest they s/he find another engineer. There are two reasons for my hard line on this issue. First and foremost is the reason you mention; problems in the field. The other is that it takes too much thinking for something that should not require much at all.




T. William (Bill) Allen, S.E.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Will Haynes [mailto:gtg740p(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Level of Detailing - round 2


I have been very busy and not able to follow all of the detailing discussions. I will say that architects not showing dimensions seems to be happening more frequently. I don't understand why since if they are correctly drawn, then the hard part has already been done and it take like 5 more seconds to draw a dimension line in AutoCAD. 


I am in a situation now where early in the project the architect was not giving any dimensions and I had to scale his drawings. Then, he sent me an email reprimanding me that I "should never scale off of architectural drawings because it could be dangerous!"


The project went out and he had about half the amount of dimensions needed to build it. So now it has become an RFI nightmare for everyone. And, he is now recommending scaling his drawings to help answer the questions.



Will H.



On 8/25/06, bruckmandesign(--nospam--at) <bruckmandesign(--nospam--at) > wrote:

I'm working on the construction of a project right now that has almost no dimensions.  Its work inside an existing building.  The reasoning by the architect is that the areas where the existing building exists do not need any dimensions since they are already there.

The kicker in all this is the that the scale reference on the plans turned out to be incorrect.  We had to issue clarifications to our bidders after we got incredibly good pricing......based on what was stated (1/8" scale) but turned out to be 3/32".

I cannot tell you all how annoying these plans are.  I've actually added my own dimensions on our office set just so I can answer questions like, "...about how long is the building?".


In a message dated 8/21/06 11:30:42 AM, gloomis(--nospam--at) writes:
I have seen architectural and structural plans without a
single dimension.

Once upon a (recent) time I received plans from a registered architect with NO plan dimensions at all.  When queried he told me to "Scale them!"  I of course refused and requested properly dimensioned plans, which I then received.  Shesh!

Ralph Hueston Kratz, S.E.
Richmond CA USA

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