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- Subject: Re: SHOOTINGS
- From: "Raymond Shreenan" <rshreenan(--nospam--at)adelphia.net>
- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:33:26 -0700
Well stated Robert.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:09
Subject: Re: SHOOTINGS
Who's jumping where?
I posted about CCW
& the halo effect thereof.
My study of the subject (over 35
years) leads me to believe that gun control is ineffective & counter
AND inflammatory rhetoric .>>>>
of the black helicopters swooping down onto the grassy knoll and disarming of
the entire population.
happened at VT was just…what….collateral damage? Cost of doing
business? 30 round clips and hollow-point bullets sold to a guy that had
a history of mental illness and that's okay with you folks? Man,
I'd guess that wasn't quite the "halo effect" you had in mind,
really help the discussion
There ARE people in elected office that
would disarm the population if they had their way.
The incident at VPI
was at least a 4 sigma event.
The VPI system & the local
govt failed the victims BEFORE the incident occurred.
That guy had
tons of red flags over a LONG period of time.
Lots of people knew he was a
problem but no one did anything effective.
Based on his history (&
federal law) he should have been flagged in the NCIS system but he
I experienced a similar situation but
luckily it was only the precursor events; a student stalking a female
student, very abnormal behavior, a extreme loner............"this guy
just wasn't right".
Campus police were contacted, they talked with him
but really could do nothing.
We came up with our own "plan"
if "so and so" shows up with a gun...."everyone run in a different
direction, that way he can't get us all."
That was the best we could
do......we were on our own
No credit to me (or anyone else or
school authorities or the police) events never escalated...............we got
he either dropped out or graduated
Was the VPI incident
damage? Cost of doing business?
But IMO it was a systemic failure of the campus
community (school authorities, police & mental health professionals)
How many of his teachers notified authorities of his odd
behavior? I heard something like eight!
IMO this incident wasn't
a failure of gun control, there wasn't even a failure to identify
it was a failure to craft an appropriate
We're just lucky he didn't choose to do something worse
He was a deeply disturbed person & needed to be dealt with
effectively BEFORE he did something bad.
On 4/24/07, Donald
The gun lobby and
apparently some on this board jump from the concept of finding and/or
fashioning a reasonable set of controls to deal with a lethal problem to the
red herring of the black helicopters swooping down onto the grassy knoll and
disarming of the entire population.
Are you all saying
there are NO prudent governmental restrictions on these products?
Hell, the code writers are constantly tinkering with health and safety
in buildings, but we can't even discuss controls on guns?
What happened at VT
was just…what….collateral damage? Cost of doing business? 30
round clips and hollow-point bullets sold to a guy that had a history of
mental illness and that's okay with you folks? Man, I'd guess
that wasn't quite the "halo effect" you had in mind, eh?
Perhaps you are missing the
"The point is, concealed weapons for
everyone for personal protection at all times, is not a good solution
because it's easily misused or could have very bad unintended
Many states have liberalized CCW laws and blood
hasn't run in the streets.
The fact is......most people
don't / won't carry.
Plus in Vermont you can carry legally by just
putting it in your pocket....again blood doesn't run in the streets
Having CCW available puts the bad guys at a distinct
disadvantage....they don't know who's carrying.
It's the "halo
To the rest of us, it doesn't matter....we have no intention
of doing anyone harm.