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- To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
- Subject: Re: Let the floodgates open (was: SHOOTINGS)
- From: "Robert Kazanjy" <rkazanjy(--nospam--at)gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:45:25 -0700
I'll try to develop a serious reply despite the "un-seriousness" of your post.
>>>>which form of "pre-crime" detection and incarceration
would you prefer. <<<<<<
In my situation & the VPI one as well....there appears to have been no problem with "pre-crime" detection.........
since the "authorities" left us on our own we crafted the only response available to us.......everyone in the dept knew of the situation. Myself & the people around me decided on the "run if he shows up with a gun"....not much of a plan but better than no plan. We were cognizant of the potential problem but the probability of anything really happening was (IMO) incredibly small.
My drive to & from work was much more potentially deadly.
I'll leave it to the "professionals" to craft response policy. I'll reserve my right & exercise my civic duty to critique it.........see if it passes the reasonableness test, which often it does not.
Your 2nd amendment comment "I want to have a nuke" is ridiculous, of course, and warrants no further comment.
and FYI ................ the period you lived in DC was AFTER the handgun restrictions were put in place
Which I believe was 1976 (the year the murder rate was near a local minimum)...........the murder rate rose again AFTER the restriction was in place
scroll down to see the per capita data
the DC handgun restrictions were toally ineffective in bringing down the murder rate since the rate generally rose in the years after the restriction was in place, peaking in 1991
I'll leave it to the reader to develop a theory as to the cause of the drop in the murder rate after 1991 (hint: it wasn't the handgun restriction kicking in 16 years late)
thanks for playing, better luck next time
I suggest you might consider reading the work of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Those who grow up & live in a western republic often find it difficult to imagine what govt gone wrong can "accomplish".
Oh, what the heck...everybody else is splashing about in the pool...
I'm curious, Bob, which form of "pre-crime" detection and incarceration
would you prefer. I like the option put forth in Minority Report, but
good psychics are hard to find, and even the best seem to be a bit
unreliable...one might even say "unstable." (naturally they wouldn't be
allowed CCW) It also has a difficult effect of adding to the
incarcerated population if you don't have an effective suspended
animation storage facility. Of course, there's Orwell's recommendation
that all the TVs simply be 2-way and on on the time (the latter already
true in the US - the former being rolled out in the UK even as I type).
The conversion methods seemed a bit harsh, though. Then, of course,
there's Huxley's take - though I would caution that you'd better make
sure the soma never runs out.
As for the 2nd amendment, If we're going with the theory that the
populace should be armed to ensure that the government never believes it
is beyond reproach by the citizenry, I think we ought to at least allow
personal purchases of everything up to tactical nukes...with a voluntary
background check, of course. When the government comes for me, I want to
have a fighting chance. ;-)
P.S. - for those who don't remember, back when guns were legal DC was
always in the running - and often "won" - the title of Murder Capitol of
the US (I know, I lived there in the 80s and 90s). I'm not sure you can
show direct causality - there are always too many factors to be certain.
Of course, I'd like to think it was Marion Barry's fault ('mayor for
life'), too but - again - hard to pin down.
Robert Kazanjy wrote:
> But IMO it was a systemic failure of the campus community (school
> authorities, police & mental health professionals)
> How many of his teachers notified authorities of his odd behavior? I
> heard something like eight!
> IMO this incident wasn't a failure of gun control, there wasn't even
> a failure to identify the problem..........
> it was a failure to craft an appropriate response.
> We're just lucky he didn't choose to do something worse
> He was a deeply disturbed person & needed to be dealt with
> effectively BEFORE he did something bad.
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