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Those methods are here also.  There are 2 that are approved by TX B of PE.  Verisign, and one other, I forget the name.  With that system, any attempt to modify the secure document permanently removes stamp and signature.  As I recall, it is about $25,000 for the hardware to set it up, and an annual license based on usage.  That was a few years ago and figures may no longer be accurate.

>>> "Thor Tandy" <vicpeng(--nospam--at)telus.net> 8/15/2007 3:14 PM >>>
There are companies out there that specialize in electronic sealing/signing
software.  Here at the Assoc. of Profess. Engineers of BC (APEGBC) they
already have commissioned such a company.  All the issues aired so far in
this thread have been addressed and the powers that be are satisfied that it
is secure enough.

If you want more detail on the rigorousness/effectiveness of the software,
call the APEGBC at 1-604-430-8035 and ask for Peter Mitchell or Gillian
Pichler.

I understand we are poised to make it available to our membership.

Thor A. Tandy P.Eng, MIStructE, Struct Eng
Victoria, BC
Canada
vicpeng(--nospam--at)telus.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Rand W Holtham [mailto:RHoltham(--nospam--at)CBI.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:54 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: Re: Texas PE


The intention (IMHO) of the anti-electronic signature is that the
responsible Engineer had at a minimum touched the engineered document and
that some other person did not issued the document without the consent of
the responsible engineer. The electronic signature makes rubber stamping
infraction just too easy. So a faxed copy of a seal document is legitimate
as I see it as much as a photocopy of a stamped document is legit.


Rand


             "Jerry Coombs"    <JCoombs(--nospam--at)carollo.com>


The original document must be signed, sealed, and *transmitted*.  It may be
followed by a facsimile of whatever sort, but there must be a real paper
trail to the original, to the person distributing them.  One fuzzy area
that is not explicit, but seems acceptable, is to fax a sealed addendum,
correction, etc; but these should really be followed by a hard copy, too.

>>> "Jordan Truesdell, PE" <seaint1(--nospam--at)truesdellengineering.com> 8/15/2007
6:22 AM >>>
I've been away for a bit, and didn't get a chance to reply earlier. Does
this mean that you cannot fax a sealed document? And for the prohibition,
does it apply to sending the document or to the validity of the sent
document?
Jordan


Jerry Coombs wrote:
      If you can't find a blank, I may be able to strip name/ number from
      mine and send.  Keep in mind that it is NOT ALLOWED in Texas, as in
      many states, to transmit a signed stamp electronically.


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