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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abbott Hilelson [mailto:abbott(--nospam--at)escanresearch.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:43 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: seaint Digest for 4 Sep 2007
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> Please remove me from your e-mail list. Thanks
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:00 AM
> To: abbott(--nospam--at)escanresearch.com
> Subject: seaint Digest for 4 Sep 2007
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> Topics covered in this issue include:
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>    1: Re: You might be a structural engineer, if .
>              by dfisher(--nospam--at)fpse.com
>    2: Re: You might be a structural engineer, if .
>              by Bill Polhemus <bill(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc>
>    3: Re: You might be a structural engineer, if .
>              by dfisher(--nospam--at)fpse.com
>    4: Re: You might be a structural engineer, if .
>              by Rhkratzse(--nospam--at)aol.com
>    5: Re: You might be a structural engineer, if .
>              by "Jordan Truesdell, PE" 
> <seaint1(--nospam--at)truesdellengineering.com>
>    6: Nevada SE
>              by "Brian K. Smith" <smithegr(--nospam--at)bellsouth.net>
> 
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> Subject: Re: You might be a structural engineer, if .
> From: dfisher(--nospam--at)fpse.com
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> 
> Bill:
> 
> I've researched this one extensively...
> 
> perhaps you can enlighten me on the reference.
> 
> dlf
> 
> 
> > dfisher(--nospam--at)fpse.com wrote:
> >> There's a lession to be learned here...just not sure what it is.
> >>
> > Maybe the Pied Piper of Hameln might also have a lesson to impart in
> > this regard.
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> From: Bill Polhemus <bill(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc>
> To:  seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Re: You might be a structural engineer, if .
> 
> dfisher(--nospam--at)fpse.com wrote:
> > Bill:
> >
> > I've researched this one extensively...
> >
> > perhaps you can enlighten me on the reference
> If you'll recall, several centuries ago a mysterious "Pied Piper" 
> offered to deliver the German city of Hameln (or "Hamlin") from an 
> infestation of rats, in return for a hefty fee.
> 
> Having struggled with the rat problem for some time, the city fathers 
> were desperate for ANY solution to the problem, and readily 
> agreed. The 
> Pied Piper played a tune on his pipe, and compelled every 
> single one of 
> the rats to dance out of the city, jump into the river and drown.
> 
> When he applied for payment, the city leaders, less desperate 
> now that 
> the rats were gone, decided that it had been "too easy" a job 
> after all, 
> and offered him only a fraction of the payment originally 
> agreed upon. 
> At that, the Piper began to play again, and all the children 
> in the town 
> danced along as he led them out of the city and over the 
> horizon, never 
> to be seen again.
> 
> MORAL: If you don't have anything to hold over their heads, 
> human nature 
> will decree that your demand for payment of your fee for service will 
> not be give the same priority by your client as you put on it.
> 
> I long ago learned from sad experience, that if I complete a 
> job for a 
> client who's in desperate need, BEFORE I get any payment, suddenly my 
> efforts won't be worth that much when the crisis is over. I call this 
> the "Pied Piper Syndrome."
> 
> (I have not as yet determined any use for the children of my clients. 
> I've come across an "administrative assistant" or two, but 
> could not get 
> permission from my wife--who's the only flutist in the 
> family--to try it 
> out).
> 
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> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Re: You might be a structural engineer, if .
> From: dfisher(--nospam--at)fpse.com
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> From: Rhkratzse(--nospam--at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: You might be a structural engineer, if .
> To: bill(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc, seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> 
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> In a message dated 9/4/07 9:52:06 AM, bill(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc writes:
> > I long ago learned from sad experience, that if I complete 
> a job for a
> > client who's in desperate need, BEFORE I get any payment, 
> suddenly my
> > efforts won't be worth that much when the crisis is over. I 
> call this
> > the "Pied Piper Syndrome."
> > 
> Bill, thanks for giving a very common scenario a name.   You 
> are sooooo 
> right!
> 
> Ralph
> 
> 
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> 9/4/07 9:52:06 AM,
> b=
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> From: "Jordan Truesdell, PE" <seaint1(--nospam--at)truesdellengineering.com>
> To:  seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Re: You might be a structural engineer, if .
> 
> I believe the more modern tale (c 1910) of such an endeavor was in a 
> story called "The Ransom of Red Chief" and is a cautionary tale that 
> what you think might be of value to someone may turn out to 
> be a burden 
> instead.
> 
> Jordan
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Polhemus wrote:
> >
> > (I have not as yet determined any use for the children of 
> my clients. 
> > I've come across an "administrative assistant" or two, but 
> could not 
> > get permission from my wife--who's the only flutist in the 
> family--to 
> > try it out).
> >
> >
> 
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> From: "Brian K. Smith" <smithegr(--nospam--at)bellsouth.net>
> To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> Subject: Nevada SE
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>             I am looking for an SE to JV a project in Reno.  
> Must be an SE.
> Contact me off the list at HYPERLINK
> "mailto:smithegr(--nospam--at)bellsouth.net"smithegr(--nospam--at)bellsouth.net.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Brian K. Smith
> 
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