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It's really easy for someone to sit in their ivory tower and take potshots
at a real-life productive person. I think the Dear Professor needs a lesson
in humility. He is quite pompous. The quote was uncalled for, IMHO.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Comfort [mailto:jcomfort(--nospam--at)ggbse.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:51 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: WTC Studies-Structural Aspects
> 
> I find it interesting that you guys focused on the "moral 
> corruption" quote from the article rather than the following 
> excerpt:  "New York building codes would have prevented the 
> towers' flimsy design, he (Astaneh) said, but federal laws 
> allowed engineers to ignore those codes. The same exception 
> has been granted to developers of New York's Freedom Tower, 
> which will replace the World Trade Center."
> 
> In my opinion, this is a more important item of discussion 
> and really is the basis for Dr. Astaneh's "moral corruption" quote.
> 
> Can someone with better knowledge about the design exceptions 
> granted to both the original towers and the new tower provide 
> a summary of them?
> 
> Josh Comfort, P.E.
> Golden, Graper & Burton, Inc.
> 1500 W. Fourth Ave., Suite 509
> Spokane, WA 99204
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Feather [mailto:PFeather(--nospam--at)se-solutions.net]
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:27 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: WTC Studies-Structural Aspects
> 
> 
> I too am a little disappointed with the articles and the 
> tone.  Leslie Robertson is a world class engineer, the 
> buildings (WTC) a true marvel of modern engineering.
> 
> It is always easy to go back in hindsight to try and say "I 
> would have done this different", or "if only they had..."
> 
> This is one of the real differences between design and study; 
> in design you make decisions and create.  Having done my 
> share of unique problems and large scale projects, cost is 
> always an issue.  Part of good engineering design is to seek 
> graceful, constructable, least cost solutions.  This is a 
> long way from moral corruption.  I guess if you have not been 
> there and done that, as we say, you cannot appreciate the 
> process or judge from experience.
> 
> Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your point of view, 
> expecting some lunatic crazed religious fanatics to go to 
> such extremes to try and destroy your work did not become a 
> part of the design lexicon until after this event.  It 
> certainly was not part of the collective consciousness at the 
> time Leslie designed the buildings; we still thought only in 
> terms of accidents.
> 
> I would expect a far more unbiased objective evaluation based 
> on real concepts.
> 
> Paul Feather PE, SE
> pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net
> www.SE-Solutions.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Wright [mailto:chrisw(--nospam--at)skypoint.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:32 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Re: WTC Studies-Structural Aspects
> 
> 
> On Oct 13, 2007, at 3:14 AM, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl wrote:
> 
> > Yesterday, I presented the results of our 5-year studies of 
> structural 
> > aspects of the World Trade Center in Sibley Auditorium of 
> UC Berkeley. 
> > Articles in the Oakland Tribune, Contra Costa Times, and San Jose 
> > Mercury News cover the main items of my presentation.
> 
> I don't know about California but Florida and Minnesota make 
> defamatory public pronouncements (such as accusations of 'moral
> corruption') a violation of professional standards of 
> conduct. The proper place for Astaneh-Asl's criticism is a 
> peer-reviewed journal where the evidence can be presented and 
> reviewed in detail. The articles contain nothing substantive, 
> only vague allegations of negligence and misconduct with no 
> basis for reaching objective conclusions.
> 
> Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant at
> chrisw(--nospam--at)skypoint.com   | this distance" (last words of Gen.
> .......................................| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania
> 1864)
> http://www.skypoint.com/~chrisw/
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