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Dude,

You went wayyy OT.  Erik asked a simple question, and got some good
opinions.  But for you and Bill to basically accuse him of being a
communist and/or denouncing capitalism was out of line.  Let's keep it
civil.

David Topete, SE


> On 11/12/07, Andrew Kester, P.E. <akester(--nospam--at)cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Erik,
> >
> > I am totally with Bill and his line of thinking. And to be honest, you
> sound sorta like you hate freedom. The freedom to build whatever the hell
> you want and flip the bird to the world is our American right. Its in the
> Constitution, which you probably can barely read since you sound like you
> were educated in the public school system.
> >
> > You must realize you need a 4 car garage, where can you put your Hummer,
> Expedition, boat and jet ski. And what kind of hippy wants 3 people to crowd
> into a tiny 4000sf house with dinky 12 ft ceilings. How can you not derive
> supreme pleasure over designing these knowing their utilitarian function?
> And of course the next logical step in questioning this way of thinking
> would be to go work for Greenpeace and build houses of crap. There is no
> in-between or gray on this issue or any other issue, just like in all of
> real life.
> >
> > Why don't you go shoot or save some deer, I am not sure which but they
> both make sense. I think as long as you eat the deer it is OK. Which is why
> I pick up every liberal tree hugging squirrel I run over.
> >
> > Who cares if they are not energy efficient, require tons of building
> materials, could house a small 3rd world village, can be nearly impossible
> to properly structurally engineer because the more cut up a roof line the
> more architecturally pleasing it is, and above all, are completely over the
> top look at me and all of my insecurities and I am so trying to keep up with
> the joneses and drowning in debt to do so. Just cash your check and be happy
> you got a job in the greatest country ever (or GEEEETTTT OUUUUTTTT). If you
> stopped hitting the bong and put out the incense long enough, one day you
> may open up your own company and do whatever you want with whatever
> conscious you have. I mean, I don't believe in Jesus as my saviour but we
> engineer lots of churches. I think strip clubs are a waste of money but I
> would design them too. Liquor stores, gun shops, drug dealer's house, Al
> Gore's save the earth hippy house or a steel framed behemoth to support
> Rush's 400psf LL requirements, whatever pays my bills. Conscious and caring
> are for pansies, bunch of liberal fuzzy warm feeling crap.
> >
> > Now drink a case of PBR and maybe you will wake up on the RIGHT side of
> bed and realize how good you got it in 'Merica.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > erik gibbs wrote:
> > > I do not like engineering large, very large custom homes with a lot of
> > > wastefull architecture.
> > Then quit, and go to work for Greenpeace or some outfit like that. Maybe
> > you can get involved in making homes out of Wildebeest dung, or some
> > other such thing that is more in line with your religious convictions.
> >
> > (BTW, to me, "sustainable buildings" are the ones still standing after
> > an earthquake or a hurricane).
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 2                                Message:0002                            2
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > From: Bill Polhemus <bill(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc >
> > To:  seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > Subject: Re: Sustainable companies
> >
> > Christopher Wright wrote:
> > >
> > > On Nov 9, 2007, at 9:27 PM, erik gibbs wrote:
> > >
> > >> What are your thoughts on sustainable structural engineering/
> > >> building and or what companies implement this design method?
> > > We live in a wasteful way because we've always had more than enough of
> > > everything.
> > We live in a "wasteful way" because that's the nature of human beings
> > whenever possible.
> >
> > You want to see creatures living in a "wasteful way?" See what happens
> > when deer are allowed to grow in population with no natural predators
> > around.
> >
> >
> > Andrew Kester, PE
> > Principal/Project Manager
> > ADK Structural Engineering, PLLC
> > 1510 E. Colonial Drive, Suite 301
> > M 407-921-1617
> > F 321-249-0349
>
>



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