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Can I add a me too to that post?

Actually, if Dennis is reading, maybe he can post a link to where they are on his site. I'm sure many of the new list members (and those where weren't paying attention previously) would be interested.  I always like reading what others use for their notes. Sometimes there's not much different, but there's usually a gem or two that can be recycled, or even just a wording that is cleaner or clearer than what I put on mine. It's also interesting to see _what_ gets included and omitted - almost as fun as how it's worded.
Jordan


Gerard Madden, SE wrote:
I have them somewhere....see if I can dig it up for you.

-gm

On Jan 9, 2008 11:19 AM, Wesley Werner <wwerner(--nospam--at)conewago.com> wrote:
Are they still available? I checked Dennis's new site and I didn't see anything like them, but I may have missed them.
 

Wesley C. Werner


 


From: Gerard Madden, SE [mailto:gmse4603(--nospam--at)gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:56 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org

Subject: Re: More "plan check" stuff ...

Actually,

Harold Sprague and other volunteered a bunch of great general notes that Dennis Wish posted on his site. This was about 5-6 years back I believe.

-gm

On Jan 9, 2008 10:44 AM, Dave Adams < davea(--nospam--at)laneengineers.com> wrote:
LOL -- we've been through that too (and we've been known to "borrow" a
note and detail or two).

:-)




-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Bruckman [mailto:bruckmandesign(--nospam--at)verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:04 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: RE: More "plan check" stuff ...


Funny thing is, I've noticed that a lot of architects and engineers have
boilerplate notes that go onto their drawing that they culled from some
mentor or office they worked at previously.  Mine began that way and
some of my notes are still verbatim off those old notes from the 70s.

I've seen architect's notes that look uncannily like mine, only to find
out the guy worked for a former employee of mine, who culled the notes
from my version that I took from my former office.

...and the wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round....

--DB

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Adams [mailto:davea(--nospam--at)laneengineers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:24 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: RE: More "plan check" stuff ...

Mark,

Good info -- my questions can apply to specs as well:  If the minimum
standards already dictated in the code for which a structure is to be
designed & constructed to are adequate (and that those minimums are what
we want), how much of those minimum standards (flame spread, etc.) do we
need to put in the specs or on the drawings?  I think the answer will
always be related to an individual level of comfort, based on experience
(and experiences), and perhaps that is best.  However, we always learn
from each other as well, in terms of what others have experienced, &
that changes our ideas of what needs to be put onto the plans or in the
specs, and that is also good.  There are plenty of "good answers".

Dave




-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Gilligan [mailto: m_k_gilligan(--nospam--at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:40 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: RE: More "plan check" stuff ...


The point was that while the code requires certain information be placed
in the construction documents it does not specify that it be placed on
the drawings.  You can comply and place the information in the
specifications if you desire.

Organize your documents to make them as clear and consistent as
possible.  Some information belongs on the drawings and some is more
natural in the specifications.  Just because somebody missed something
before does not mean that you will prevent the problem from occuring by
placing and highlighting the information on the drawings.  After a while
this can just result in a disorganized set of documents.

Look at the defination of specifications and drawings in AIA A201.  This
should help clarify where to put the information.

If yu place too much on the drawings then people may get lazy and not
look in the specifications thus causing problems when they miss
something.  Remember others can screw things up no matter what you do.
Also use care not to place on the drawings information that is also
covered in the specifications.

Mark Gilligan

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