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The exception to 1802.2.7 is not for getting out of providing a soil
report. It is for exemption from doing a site specific study to
determine the peak ground acceleration as is required in the last
sentence of part 2.

Ben Yousefi, SE, CBO
Assistant Building Official
Santa Monica, CA
ben.yousefi(--nospam--at)smgov.net
310-458-2201 x 5025
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Utzman [mailto:chuckuc(--nospam--at)pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:09 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: Re: what's wrong?

Rhkratzse(--nospam--at)aol.com wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I certainly agree with your comment regarding a "typical" new house in

> the Bay Area.  In that case the expense of a soil report may not be 
> all that significant (although practically every client I've had has 
> ended up his project "in extremis," making all sorts of pain-filled 
> comments about being broke).
>
> But what I'm really referring to is my typical client who is just 
> adding a little room on the back of his house, or adding a partial 
> second story.  And what about if he's just adding a single new 
> foundation for a new shear wall to make his house more earthquake 
> resistant -- does he still need a $3,000 soil report?  And if he does 
> and it recommends a pier foundation, although the house has been 
> sitting there on 3" deep shallow footings for 80 years without 
> significant harm, what's the rationale in gold-plating the new 
> foundation?
>
> Sorry,
>
> Ralph
>
> In a message dated 1/15/08 9:03:52 AM, sgordin(--nospam--at)sgeconsulting.com
writes:
>> Dave and Ralph,
>>  
>> It is not quite an "across the board" requirement.  Overall, only a 
>> very limited number of houses will be affected, with the Bay and LA 
>> areas hit hardest.   
>>  
>> These areas are known for their no-so-good soils , and, in all 
>> honesty, require soil investigation anyway. 
>>  
>> As far as I know, a decent residential soil report in OC can be done 
>> for about $3K, and represents a negligible fraction of a median 
>> property cost of about $655K.  
>>  
>> V. Steve Gordin, SE
>> Irvine CA
>>     
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> * From:* Rhkratzse(--nospam--at)aol.com <mailto:Rhkratzse(--nospam--at)aol.com>
>> * To:* davea(--nospam--at)laneengineers.com <mailto:davea(--nospam--at)laneengineers.com> ; 
>> seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org <mailto:seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
>> * Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2008 08:43
>> * Subject:* Re: what's wrong?
>>
>> In a message dated 1/15/08 8:41:34 AM, davea(--nospam--at)laneengineers.com 
>> <mailto:davea(--nospam--at)laneengineers.com> writes:
>>
>> The foundation is of the utmost importance, certainly, but to require

>> a soils report across the board ... especially for 
>> light-frame/single-story/non-expansive-soil-supported structures ... 
>> seems sort of harsh.
>>
>> Anything to drive up the cost of housing, eh?
>>
>> Ralph
>
>
>
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I agree with Ralph here. Can someone tell us if the Exception in 
1802.2.7 is a practical way to avoid a soils report for these small
jobs?
Chuck Utzman, P.E.

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