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- Subject: RE: Is a garage partially open, open or closed?
- From: IRV FRUCHTMAN <ifaeng(--nospam--at)yahoo.com>
- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:12:42 -0800 (PST)
Dennis: Where I work the local building official says that its the design-professional's decision. Consequently to cma I design for the worst conditions, generally upsetting the owner & builder. Irv > Bill, > See my comments posted earlier. I disagree and feel > that the decision should > be left to the local city and not with the > engineer's judgment. A building > department is essentially free of any potential > liability for their > interpretation of the code (there was a book about > the building officials > responsibility in the early 80's that still applies > today). If you need the > name of the book, let me know and I will dig it out > from the engineer who > wrote me about it. > > On the other hand, if the engineer decides with the > owner and then damage > occurs, the owner claims ignorance and his reliance > on the engineer in > responsible charge. With one expert witness willing > to disagree with the > engineer of records' decision a law suit is > initiated (pending who is paying > the legal fees). > > I think when there is a question in the code as to > how it should be > interpreted, then it should be the responsibility of > the building official > (and his profession advisors). If he wants to > deviate from what the general > professional community may publish as a professional > standard of practice, > he can choose to do so as long as he takes the > minimum interpretation of the > code (right or wrong). > > Only the Engineer in responsible charge or a > licensed architect can be held > potentially liable and sued seeking out of court > settlement or litigation to > test the law. > > Maybe the answer is to invest in the testing of the > worst conditions to post > the best performance of the structure based on the > choice. > > > > Dennis > > > > From: William.Sherman(--nospam--at)CH2M.com > [mailto:William.Sherman(--nospam--at)CH2M.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:27 AM > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org > Subject: RE: Is a garage partially open, open or > closed? > > > > Since it is not code mandated, the city should not > decide. Ideally, the > engineer of record would discuss this with the > Owner, but the engineer may > simply set their own criteria in absence of > direction from the Owner. > > > > Bill Sherman > > CH2M HILL / DEN > > 720-286-2792 > > > > > > _____ > > From: Jnapd(--nospam--at)aol.com [mailto:Jnapd(--nospam--at)aol.com] > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:53 PM > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org > Subject: Re: Is a garage partially open, open or > closed? > > In a message dated 2/17/2008 11:26:40 A.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > William.Sherman(--nospam--at)CH2M.com writes: > > recently asked a similar question on the listserver > regarding industrial > buildings that have several large overhead doors > along one wall. It does > not appear that the codes clearly address the issue > of open vs closed > overhead doors/ garage doors. > > > > It appears that this is left to the engineer's > judgment and/or the project > criteria. The written design criteria for some > projects define a primary > wind speed for consideration as an "enclosed > structure" and a reduced wind > speed for consideration as a "partially enclosed > structure" (e.g., 90 mph > for enclosed and 60 mph for partially enclosed). > This assumes that the door > can be open for some wind pressures but is likely to > be closed during > extreme wind events. > > > > Bill Sherman > > CH2M HILL / DEN > > 720-286-2792 > > > > Who decides on these wind speeds...the owner, the > city, the designer ?? > > > > Joe Venuti > Johnson & Nielsen Associates > Palm Springs, CA > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ******* ****** ******* ******** ******* ******* ******* *** * Read list FAQ at: http://www.seaint.org/list_FAQ.asp * * This email was sent to you via Structural Engineers * Association of Southern California (SEAOSC) server. To * subscribe (no fee) or UnSubscribe, please go to: * * http://www.seaint.org/sealist1.asp * * Questions to seaint-ad(--nospam--at)seaint.org. Remember, any email you * send to the list is public domain and may be re-posted * without your permission. Make sure you visit our web * site at: http://www.seaint.org ******* ****** ****** ****** ******* ****** ****** ********
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