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Dennis: 
Where I work the local building official says that its
the design-professional's decision. Consequently to
cma I design for the worst conditions, generally
upsetting the owner & builder. 
Irv


> Bill, 
> See my comments posted earlier. I disagree and feel
> that the decision should
> be left to the local city and not with the
> engineer's judgment. A building
> department is essentially free of any potential
> liability for their
> interpretation of the code (there was a book about
> the building officials
> responsibility in the early 80's that still applies
> today). If you need the
> name of the book, let me know and I will dig it out
> from the engineer who
> wrote me about it.
> 
> On the other hand, if the engineer decides with the
> owner and then damage
> occurs, the owner claims ignorance and his reliance
> on the engineer in
> responsible charge. With one expert witness willing
> to disagree with the
> engineer of records' decision a law suit is
> initiated (pending who is paying
> the legal fees).
> 
> I think when there is a question in the code as to
> how it should be
> interpreted, then it should be the responsibility of
> the building official
> (and his profession advisors). If he wants to
> deviate from what the general
> professional community may publish as a professional
> standard of practice,
> he can choose to do so as long as he takes the
> minimum interpretation of the
> code (right or wrong). 
> 
> Only the Engineer in responsible charge or a
> licensed architect can be held
> potentially liable and sued seeking out of court
> settlement or litigation to
> test the law. 
> 
> Maybe the answer is to invest in the testing of the
> worst conditions to post
> the best performance of the structure based on the
> choice.
> 
>  
> 
> Dennis
> 
>  
> 
> From: William.Sherman(--nospam--at)CH2M.com
> [mailto:William.Sherman(--nospam--at)CH2M.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:27 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Is a garage partially open, open or
> closed?
> 
>  
> 
> Since it is not code mandated, the city should not
> decide.  Ideally, the
> engineer of record would discuss this with the
> Owner, but the engineer may
> simply set their own criteria in absence of
> direction from the Owner. 
> 
>  
> 
> Bill Sherman
> 
> CH2M HILL / DEN 
> 
> 720-286-2792 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Jnapd(--nospam--at)aol.com [mailto:Jnapd(--nospam--at)aol.com] 
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:53 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Re: Is a garage partially open, open or
> closed?
> 
> In a message dated 2/17/2008 11:26:40 A.M. Pacific
> Standard Time,
> William.Sherman(--nospam--at)CH2M.com writes:
> 
> recently asked a similar question on the listserver
> regarding industrial
> buildings that have several large overhead doors
> along one wall.  It does
> not appear that the codes clearly address the issue
> of open vs closed
> overhead doors/ garage doors.  
> 
>  
> 
> It appears that this is left to the engineer's
> judgment and/or the project
> criteria.  The written design criteria for some
> projects define a primary
> wind speed for consideration as an "enclosed
> structure" and a reduced wind
> speed for consideration as a "partially enclosed
> structure" (e.g., 90 mph
> for enclosed and 60 mph for partially enclosed). 
> This assumes that the door
> can be open for some wind pressures but is likely to
> be closed during
> extreme wind events. 
> 
>  
> 
> Bill Sherman
> 
> CH2M HILL / DEN 
> 
> 720-286-2792 
> 
>  
> 
> Who decides on these wind speeds...the owner, the
> city,  the designer ??
> 
>  
> 
> Joe Venuti
> Johnson & Nielsen Associates
> Palm Springs, CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
 



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