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Thanks to all who pitched in regarding my plywood floor issue.  I've determined that I would probably be okay in the short term, but that deflection and sag serviceability would be a concern.  Unfortunately for me, the layout does not lend itself to laying out an additional plywood layer above the floor due to exiting requirements and tripping hazard.
Conrad, I hadn't heard about the Wirra Wirra winery fermentatoin and holding tank collapse, but I saw on AdelaideNow that two workers were injured - not to mention the travesty of losing all that good wine.  Do you guys have the need for a structural engineer to tour all of the wineries in the Barossa Valley to check for fatigue issues and other structural deficiencies?  I'd be happy to volunteer.  Besides being a life-safety issue, losing wine is a major life-quality concern.  You Australians need to learn how to maintain your infrastructure.  You should just follow the American example with respect to our highway bridges. Ha!!!!!!
Wine collapse 

Conrad Harrison <sch.tectonic(--nospam--at)> wrote:
Here most manufacturers catalogues have load tables for the plywood. But what they call a concentrated load is actually a linear load across the width of the beam like panel being tested. In the past not been able to get any information to check suitability for real point loads from legs castors and wheels.
So for fixed cabinets tend to place a batten/spreader under the legs to transfer the load back onto the floor joists. For castors recommend not to use unless the owners already have experience with an existing floor: the plywood can creep and sag between the joists if keep rolling heavy loads over it.
Have to get back to you on the wineries: Clare and the Barossa valley are the main regions.
By the way did news of the collapse of the fermenting and holding tanks, and support stand at the Wirra Wirra winery make it to the USA.
Conrad Harrison
B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust
South Australia

From: Benjamin Maxwell [mailto:enginerd666(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 02:06
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Concentrated Loads on Plywood Floors...
I am in need of some recommendations or references for determining the structural adequacy of concentrated loads on plywood floors.
I have a condition where my client wishes to locate several large security storage cabinets (they weigh upwards of 600 pounds empty) on the floor of a modular trailer.  The cabinets are supported on 4 lovely, miniature feet - perhaps measuring one inch square on a extremely hot day.  Additionally, I don't have a good sense from the client on how much the contents could weight - perhaps 300 to 400 pounds based on my discussions with the group managing the cabinet contents.
So, I have concerns with the local effects on the plywood and the overall span, especially while maintaining the same 50 psf live load rating.
To make things more fun, strengthening below the floor is not an option.  It's either green light or red light in this case.
I'll let Conrad know in advance that I think I've seen such limitations in both the Australian and New Zealand codes, but have not had as much luck using my available APA references and Google for U.S. codes.  When are we northern hemispherians going to learn?  Also, I'd greatly appreciate Conrad's recommendations on good, small wineries from the Aidelade area just as much as I appreciate his engineering recommendations and thoughts.
Thanks in advance!
-Ben Maxwell

Benjamin H. Maxwell, S.E.

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